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    Re: Interesting Stat: Only 26 players on a major league roster have college degrees

    It's hard to find actual graduations. A lot of guys went three years then signed. It looks like Harang at San Diego State and Roenicke at UCLA are the only grads.

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    Re: Interesting Stat: Only 26 players on a major league roster have college degrees

    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003 View Post
    It's hard to find actual graduations. A lot of guys went three years then signed. It looks like Harang at San Diego State and Roenicke at UCLA are the only grads.
    You're right, it is difficult to ascertain who has graduated and who hasn't. We do have a lot of players who have attended college. I do wonder if Owings finished college. He started at Georgia Tech and then transferred to Tulane. The years would be enough to have gone four years, but it's possible one of those years he may have sat out because of the transfer.

    We have a number of players who were drafted after their junior year. I wonder if any have gone during the off season to finish their degrees.
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    Re: Interesting Stat: Only 26 players on a major league roster have college degrees

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    Lets look at the Bryce Harper situation. Lets assume that Harper is a top 10 pick next year and gets in the range of an $8-$12M signing bonus. That is a lot of money to someone like me, probably more than I may make in my entire professional career. The problem for many top athletes isn't the amount of money they make, it is the way they handle that money. There was an article posted on RZ about how and why professional athletes go broke. Even the athletes who you thought were the intelligent ones made a ton of stupid investments.

    It is just my opinion but any person who has the ability to pursue a college degree should do so. While extended education doesn't mean you are an intelligent person, it sure doesn't hurt.
    Yep, take the up-front money. Why take a chance on hurting yourself before the big payday while you finish up your criminal justice degree?

    Most would do well to just take a few personal finance classes.

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    Re: Interesting Stat: Only 26 players on a major league roster have college degrees

    There doesn't seem to be the stigma on baseball players and their respective collegiate programs for not graduating their players as there is for football and basketball. Of course there isn't nearly as much attention paid to baseball as there is to their counterparts.
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    I vote Ross Ohlendorf as the smartest. Majored in Operations Research and Financial engineering at Princeton. IIRC, he only missed one question on his SAT's in high school. Another Princeton baseball player was asked if he was smarter than Ohlendorf, and I remember the guy said Ross was on a completely different level.

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    Norm Charlton triple-majored at Rice.
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    Re: Interesting Stat: Only 26 players on a major league roster have college degrees

    In the early 20th century there was a sudden influx of college players, it was said that Connie Mack prefered the college player over the rough hewed non college player, much was made about Christy Mathewson going to Bucknell (did not graduate) and Eddie Collins played for Columbia (graduated) MOST (like 90%) of them didn't graduate and many like Hal Chase (Santa Clara) never even went to school, more simply they more often were ringers first and foremost, not students.

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    Re: Interesting Stat: Only 26 players on a major league roster have college degrees

    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    Yep, take the up-front money. Why take a chance on hurting yourself before the big payday while you finish up your criminal justice degree?

    Most would do well to just take a few personal finance classes.
    No reason why someone can't play pro ball and go to school. A lot of people work full-time careers and continue to further their education. Baseball players are in the unique position in that they have a substantial off-season in which to pursue an education.
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    Re: Interesting Stat: Only 26 players on a major league roster have college degrees

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    No reason why someone can't play pro ball and go to school. A lot of people work full-time careers and continue to further their education. Baseball players are in the unique position in that they have a substantial off-season in which to pursue an education.
    True. However, the presence of a large bonus may be a disincentive to go back - or even go - to school. Imagine you are an 18-19 year old kid and you have just been drafted and signed by a MLB team. They gave you a multi-million dollar or even multi-hundred-thousand dollar bonus. Taking classes in the off season is going to be the last thing on these kids' minds.
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    Re: Interesting Stat: Only 26 players on a major league roster have college degrees

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    True. However, the presence of a large bonus may be a disincentive to go back - or even go - to school. Imagine you are an 18-19 year old kid and you have just been drafted and signed by a MLB team. They gave you a multi-million dollar or even multi-hundred-thousand dollar bonus. Taking classes in the off season is going to be the last thing on these kids' minds.
    But what percentage of MLB players EVER got a large bonus?

    This is not a rhetorical question. I'm really not sure. I had a better handle on this data several years ago. But if I had to guess, I'd say that no more than 25% of guys playing in the majors got 6-figure bonuses when they signed. IIRC, Miguel Tejada didn't even get a 5-figure bonus.

    Some MLB players, along with their monetary bonus, get a pledge from the team to pay for completion of an undergraduate education at ANY SCHOOL. So theoretically, if Homer Bailey has such a clause and goes bust, perhaps the Reds will pay to put him through some $$$ private school.
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    Re: Interesting Stat: Only 26 players on a major league roster have college degrees

    They need to at least ...like it was said....take finance courses and quit investing money through outside parties. You should be able to go very far with just 1 million...let alone 5.

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    Re: Interesting Stat: Only 26 players on a major league roster have college degrees

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili View Post
    But what percentage of MLB players EVER got a large bonus?

    This is not a rhetorical question. I'm really not sure. I had a better handle on this data several years ago. But if I had to guess, I'd say that no more than 25% of guys playing in the majors got 6-figure bonuses when they signed. IIRC, Miguel Tejada didn't even get a 5-figure bonus.

    Some MLB players, along with their monetary bonus, get a pledge from the team to pay for completion of an undergraduate education at ANY SCHOOL. So theoretically, if Homer Bailey has such a clause and goes bust, perhaps the Reds will pay to put him through some $$$ private school.

    Well, we are just talking about the players with the large bonuses. I'm not talking about guys plucked off the Dominican sandlots. This is about guys who actually have a choice between college and pro baseball. I think that it's great that teams give them the opportunity to get their degree but what I'm saying is that their bonus - minus the money for college - can have the opposite effect on them in regards to going to college.

    As fondly as we remember college, there were parts of it that weren't too great. The 8:00 classes, the jerk professors, studying, the exams. That part isn't too appealing. Plus that's more school on top of high school. If you're a teenager with a lot of money in the bank, more school might not seem like the number 1 priority in your life.
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    Re: Interesting Stat: Only 26 players on a major league roster have college degrees

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    As fondly as we remember college, there were parts of it that weren't too great. The 8:00 classes, the jerk professors, studying, the exams. That part isn't too appealing. Plus that's more school on top of high school. If you're a teenager with a lot of money in the bank, more school might not seem like the number 1 priority in your life.
    That is a part of college. That is a part of the learning experience. Its whether you decide to kiss up to a teacher to get a better grade or stick to you guns. Its about dealing with stuff that you have no control over. I would argue that those non appealing parts to college are as important as the education you get. I had the jerk professors, the 7:30 classes, the all nighters and I wouldn't have passed those up for anything.

    The problem is unless you are a top talent, you likely aren't going to get all that big of a bonus. Its amazing how quickly you can blow through a $350,000 bonus. If you don't have an education to fall back on, what happens when your 40, out of work, and have lavish lifestyle to sustain.

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    Re: Interesting Stat: Only 26 players on a major league roster have college degrees

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    I do wonder if Owings finished college. He started at Georgia Tech and then transferred to Tulane. The years would be enough to have gone four years, but it's possible one of those years he may have sat out because of the transfer.
    College baseball does not currently require transfers to sit out a year when transferring...it is unlike many other NCAA sports in that respect. The rules are changing for the 2010 season, however, to be more in line with the revenue sports.

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    Re: Interesting Stat: Only 26 players on a major league roster have college degrees

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    That is a part of college. That is a part of the learning experience. Its whether you decide to kiss up to a teacher to get a better grade or stick to you guns. Its about dealing with stuff that you have no control over. I would argue that those non appealing parts to college are as important as the education you get. I had the jerk professors, the 7:30 classes, the all nighters and I wouldn't have passed those up for anything.
    Sure, that's the rational, responsible, mature, adult school of thought - no pun intended. But how many 17-18-19 year olds do you know that make those kind of decisions? Add onto that the fact that these kids are instant millionaires. Faced with the choice of dealing with the jerk profs, getting up early and studying or sitting at home playing Nintendo, going out with friends/girls, sleeping in, etc., a lot of kids in that position are going to choose the latter option because there's no immediate downside.


    The problem is unless you are a top talent, you likely aren't going to get all that big of a bonus. Its amazing how quickly you can blow through a $350,000 bonus. If you don't have an education to fall back on, what happens when your 40, out of work, and have lavish lifestyle to sustain.[/quote]

    No argument there but they aren't thinking that could happen to them.
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