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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    I'd be willing to go 5-year, $45 million, but he'd likely laugh at that offer.
    I'm laughing already.

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    Re: Aroldis Chapman

    The Reds will not be in on this one. He'll be a Yank or a Sawk (or maybe a Met/Angel/Dodger).

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    I'll laugh if we sign him at all.

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    Aroldis Chapman: A left-handed Strasburg

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    The most intense bidding of the winter will not be over Matt Holliday or Jason Bay. It will not be John Lackey who is going to have the most bidders frothing after him.

    No, it will be Aroldis Chapman, the 21-year-old pitcher who reportedly defected from Cuba while traveling with the national team in the Netherlands.

    To put his talent in perspective: Some evaluators view Chapman as a left-handed Stephen Strasburg. "He's pretty special," said one official.

    He has a fastball clocked at 101 or 102 MPH, and a plus curveball and plus slider, to use the scouts' vernacular.

    But unlike Strasburg, his market will not be restricted to the one team that drafted him. It may be about six months before his situation is settled to the point where teams will be able to make bids. But when that can happen, you can expect a Daisuke Matsuzaka-like feeding frenzy to ensue.

    Jose Contreras signed a $32 million deal with the Yankees earlier this decade, but he was much older than Chapman. Matsuzaka was 25-years-old when the Boston Red Sox committed $103 million in a posting fee and contract to sign him. Chapman's situation is incredibly unique, because he's so young, so talented -- all of his best years presumably in front of him -- and so well known among evaluators.

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    Re: Aroldis Chapman

    Would have liked to get this one.

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    Posted: Friday July 3, 2009 4:20PM; Updated: Friday July 3, 2009 4:40PM

    Red Sox in serious talks with coveted Cuban SS Iglesias
    By Jon Heyman, SI.com


    The Red Sox are in serious discussions with Cuban shortstop whiz Jose Iglesias, according to a league source.

    If finalized, the contract is expected to be for about $8 million, perhaps a little bit more than that, according to people familiar with the talks. One league source said it wasn't done yet but expressed optimism that it would get done.

    Iglesias, who's listed at 19 years old, defected from Cuba last year in Canada during the World Junior Championships.

    Scouts who have seen Iglesias liken him to Ozzie Smith defensively.

    "His hands and arm are deluxe,'' one American League executive said. "The question is how much he'll hit.''
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    Re: Aroldis Chapman

    according to MLBTR.com Aroldis Chapman is likely 26 yrs old and not 21 yrs old

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    Top Cuban prospect defects
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    And though his pitches have been clocked at 100 mph, some consider Chapman's secondary pitches to be only average. For that reason, many believe Chapman likely would have to start his professional career in the minors.

    There also might be a question of Chapman's maturity level. Several times at the WBC, Chapman was demonstrative in his displeasure at the umpire's strike zone. At times, several of his teammates had to go to the mound to calm him. ...
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    Chapman Reportedly Leaves Cuban Team

    Posted Jul. 2, 2009 11:40 am by John Manuel
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    ... If he’s 21 like he’s listed, the sky’s the limit. ...

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=5271
    Umm Houston? I think we have a problem. I think those contract demands may have to come down a little now.
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    Put me down in the camp who wants no part of Chapman at the price he's going to demand. Even if he is 21, I don't want to be paying him 7, 8, 10 million a year while he learns to pitch in the bigs. That's simply not a risk the Reds can afford to take. If you're going to spend that sort of dough in the foreign market, I'd much rather put it in to the signing bonuses of 4-5 high ceiling guys who will have the opportunity to work their way through the system and don't require a long term deal.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    No Evidence That Aroldis Chapman Is 26

    Posted Jul. 9, 2009 4:21 pm by J.J. Cooper
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    Aroldis Chapman set off a flood of speculation when he defected from the Cuban National team last week, with questions about whether he’ll break the international signing bonus record, when he will become eligible to sign and which club will end up landing him.

    But nothing seems to have stuck more than Jack Curry’s report in the New York Times that Aroldis Chapman may be 26 years old, five years older than the 21 he’s listed at by the Cubans. Curry wrote that "reports in March at the World Baseball Classic said he was 26."

    In an e-mail response, Curry explained that the line was added by an editor. It is based on a New York Times story from the World Baseball Classic on March 13, when Dan Rosenheck listed Chapman’s age as 26. There is no explanation why Chapman was listed at 26 at the time. In a later e-mail, Curry said the sourcing for Chapman’s age came from a conversation with Baseball America’s own John Manuel. Rosenheck misunderstood Manuel at best, as Manuel says he did not tell Rosenheck that Chapman was 26, and BA has no documentation suggesting his age is anything other than 21. In fact, Manuel explained that Cuban players’ ages are more well-documented than any other Latin American prospects because they participate in international tournaments from a young age.

    When reporting for our Top 10 Prospects from the World Baseball Classic , all of the scouts we talked to thought Chapman was 21 and we can find no report to the contrary.

    A quick Google Search of "Aroldis Chapman actually 26" shows that the Times report has quickly become the accepted standard, raising significant questions about Chapman’s age. But in addition to not have any real documentation behind it, the report also doesn’t pass the logic test. Why would Cuba lie about a player’s age? Cuba doesn’t want to see its players defect. Lying about Chapman’s age to make him seem younger could have a minor benefit in giving Cuba a better chance win the occasional age-group international tournament (although Chapman has been playing on the senior national team), but it would also raise the likelihood that Chapman would defect for riches in the U.S. If the Cuban government had incentive to mislead, it would want to make its players appear to be older than they are–a 35-year-old pitcher isn’t as likely to land a multimillion dollar deal in the U.S. as a 25-year-old.

    Some Cuban players’ ages have been misstated in the past–largely by agents and others trying to get the players big paydays after they have defected. But in Chapman’s case, there is documentation that he’s 21 (and will turn 22 in September), and no credible documentation of anything else. International scouts have been keeping an eye on him every since he broke into Cuba’s Serie Nacional late in 2005 as an 18-year-old. He made his first appearance for Cuba’s national team at the Pan American Games 2007 as a 19-year-old. If he was 26, there would have been no reason for Cuba to have kept him under wraps for several years when he could have been helping the team in the World Baseball Classic and other national tournaments.

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    Where In The World Is Aroldis Chapman?

    Posted Jul. 14, 2009 3:30 pm by Will Lingo
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    We’re still not sure exactly where Cuban lefthander Aroldis Chapman is, but at least we have narrowed it down to a continent.

    Chapman has taken the next step toward a career in Organized Baseball with the hiring of an agent, following his defection from the Cuban national team on July 1 while in the Netherlands for the World Port Tournament. Athletes Premier International trumpeted its "representation and marketing agreement" with Chapman in a press release on Monday.

    When asked where Chapman was and when he might sign, a spokesman responded: "Aroldis is currently with Edwin Mejia in Europe. We will announce where he plans to establish residency and his next steps as soon as that information is available."

    Mejia is the founder of Athletes Premier International, and according to the company’s release is a licensed attorney in Massachusetts and New York. The agency was established in 2006 and "represents historically underserved athletes from Latin America and the inner cities of the United States," the release says.

    "Aroldis is a tremendous person and athlete," Mejia says in the release. "He is the highest-caliber athlete to sign with our agency, and it is an honor and a privilege to help him achieve his professional and personal goals."

    The release confirms that Chapman is 21, though it says he was born on Feb. 28, 1988 in Cayo Mambi, Frank Pais, Holguin, Cuba. While that birthplace is consistent with previous reports, the birthdate is six months later than the one cited in other sources: Sept. 11, 1987.

    The release says that Chapman’s wife and young daughter, as well as his parents and two sisters, remain in Cuba.

    It also includes his career statistics from Cuba’s professional league, Serie Nacional, where he spent four seasons with Holguin:

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=5608

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    Re: Aroldis Chapman

    Okay, I was wrong.


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