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    Bronson Arroyo can't miss bats

    Just saw this over at Beyond The Box Score

    Here are the whiff rates on specific pitches thrown this year by MLB pitchers:

    Worst Whiff Rates By Pitch Type, Min 75 Swings
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    Changeups 	Whiff 		Sliders 	Whiff 		Curve Balls 	Whiff
    Joel Pineiro 	10.3% 		Brian Bannister 9.1% 		C. Jakubauskas 	9.5%
    Brad Thompson 	12.2% 		Lance Cormier 	12.6% 		Brad Penny 	10.9%
    Bartolo Colon 	12.5% 		Sean Marshall 	12.8% 		Bronson Arroyo 	14.8%
    Brad Bergesen 	14.0% 		Tomo Ohka 	12.9% 		Randy Wolf 	15.2%
    Bronson Arroyo 	14.0% 		Gil Meche 	13.0% 		Barry Zito 	15.6%
    Best & Worst Fastball Whiff Rates, Min 150 Swings
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    Best Fastball 	Type 	Whiff 		Worst Fastball 	Type 	Whiff
    Andrew Bailey 	F4 	40.3% 		Joe Blanton 	F2 	2.7%
    Brian Tallet 	F2 	36.7% 		Shane Loux 	F4 	3.2%
    Jon Lester 	FC 	31.8% 		Bronson Arroyo 	FA 	3.6%
    James Parr 	FA 	30.9% 		Craig Stammen 	F4 	3.6%
    Rafael Soriano 	F4 	30.7% 		Carlos Silva 	F2 	4.1%
    Andrew Bailey 	FC 	28.7% 		Joshua Geer 	FA 	4.2%
    Matt Thornton 	F4 	27.7% 		Nick Blackburn 	F4 	4.6%
    Javier Vazquez 	F4 	26.7% 		Jeff Karstens 	F4 	5.1%
    Octavio Dotel 	F4 	26.7% 		Mark Buehrle 	FC 	5.2%
    Rob. Tejeda 	F4 	25.9% 		Joshua Geer 	F4 	5.3%
    David Aardsma 	F4 	25.8% 		Miguel Batista 	F4 	5.5%
    Three of Arroyo's pitches are among the most hittable pitches in baseball this year. No wonder he has struggled so much this year.

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    Re: Bronson Arroyo can't miss bats

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Just saw this over at Beyond The Box Score

    Here are the whiff rates on specific pitches thrown this year by MLB pitchers:

    Worst Whiff Rates By Pitch Type, Min 75 Swings
    Code:
    Changeups 	Whiff 		Sliders 	Whiff 		Curve Balls 	Whiff
    Joel Pineiro 	10.3% 		Brian Bannister 9.1% 		C. Jakubauskas 	9.5%
    Brad Thompson 	12.2% 		Lance Cormier 	12.6% 		Brad Penny 	10.9%
    Bartolo Colon 	12.5% 		Sean Marshall 	12.8% 		Bronson Arroyo 	14.8%
    Brad Bergesen 	14.0% 		Tomo Ohka 	12.9% 		Randy Wolf 	15.2%
    Bronson Arroyo 	14.0% 		Gil Meche 	13.0% 		Barry Zito 	15.6%
    Best & Worst Fastball Whiff Rates, Min 150 Swings
    Code:
    Best Fastball 	Type 	Whiff 		Worst Fastball 	Type 	Whiff
    Andrew Bailey 	F4 	40.3% 		Joe Blanton 	F2 	2.7%
    Brian Tallet 	F2 	36.7% 		Shane Loux 	F4 	3.2%
    Jon Lester 	FC 	31.8% 		Bronson Arroyo 	FA 	3.6%
    James Parr 	FA 	30.9% 		Craig Stammen 	F4 	3.6%
    Rafael Soriano 	F4 	30.7% 		Carlos Silva 	F2 	4.1%
    Andrew Bailey 	FC 	28.7% 		Joshua Geer 	FA 	4.2%
    Matt Thornton 	F4 	27.7% 		Nick Blackburn 	F4 	4.6%
    Javier Vazquez 	F4 	26.7% 		Jeff Karstens 	F4 	5.1%
    Octavio Dotel 	F4 	26.7% 		Mark Buehrle 	FC 	5.2%
    Rob. Tejeda 	F4 	25.9% 		Joshua Geer 	F4 	5.3%
    David Aardsma 	F4 	25.8% 		Miguel Batista 	F4 	5.5%
    Three of Arroyo's pitches are among the most hittable pitches in baseball this year. No wonder he has struggled so much this year.
    I'm interested in finding out what Joe Blanton has been doing. He's striking out over 8.5 batters per nine innings this year despite having the league's most hittable fastball. What is he throwing as his out pitch? lol
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    Re: Bronson Arroyo can't miss bats

    Arroyo can't play the guitar either.....
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    Re: Bronson Arroyo can't miss bats

    I'm sitting down the 3rd base line tonight. Wright might knock my teeth out.

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    Re: Bronson Arroyo can't miss bats

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    I'm interested in finding out what Joe Blanton has been doing. He's striking out over 8.5 batters per nine innings this year despite having the league's most hittable fastball. What is he throwing as his out pitch? lol
    Looks like his slider has been pretty darn good this year.

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    Re: Bronson Arroyo can't miss bats

    His curve seems to be hanging up more than it used to and that sweeping curve he throws doesn't look like its getting as much right to left break.

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    Re: Bronson Arroyo can't miss bats

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    Maybe we should post derogatory stats before every game he pitches. He just pitched a 4-hit complete game shutout on 115 pitches. He struck out 5 and walked none. It's games like this that make me think he could be a great pitcher if he'd study the hitters more, have a better catcher calling the game, party less, be more dedicated, etc. You know, like there's SOMETHING he's doing during these games that he could do for the other games to make the outcome more like tonight. It's probably just a difference in the Mets hitters vs. the Cardinals, but it doesn't stop me from thinking 'What if...?' I'm sure if it were that simple he'd have figured it out by now. I hope he can stay in the groove after the All-Star break.

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    Re: Bronson Arroyo can't miss bats

    Quote Originally Posted by WebScorpion View Post
    Maybe we should post derogatory stats before every game he pitches. He just pitched a 4-hit complete game shutout on 115 pitches. He struck out 5 and walked none. It's games like this that make me think he could be a great pitcher if he'd study the hitters more, have a better catcher calling the game, party less, be more dedicated, etc. You know, like there's SOMETHING he's doing during these games that he could do for the other games to make the outcome more like tonight. It's probably just a difference in the Mets hitters vs. the Cardinals, but it doesn't stop me from thinking 'What if...?' I'm sure if it were that simple he'd have figured it out by now. I hope he can stay in the groove after the All-Star break.
    The Louisville Bats ran out a tougher lineup than the Mets did tonight. I am glad Bronson did well the bullpen sure needed it. But I wouldn't get too excited.
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    Re: Bronson Arroyo can't miss bats

    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    The Louisville Bats ran out a tougher lineup than the Mets did tonight. I am glad Bronson did well the bullpen sure needed it. But I wouldn't get too excited.
    Yeah, it's more Bud Harrelson than Daryl Strawberry. For Bronson, it's a nice change though.

    Arroyo can't play the guitar either.....
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    Re: Bronson Arroyo can't miss bats

    Bronson Arroyo/David Weathers. Both are very hittable and dependent on luck.

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    Re: Bronson Arroyo can't miss bats

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    Bronson Arroyo/David Weathers. Both are very hittable and dependent on luck.
    And yet both have been serious productive guys over there career............... go figure
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    Re: Bronson Arroyo can't miss bats

    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    The Louisville Bats ran out a tougher lineup than the Mets did tonight. I am glad Bronson did well the bullpen sure needed it. But I wouldn't get too excited.
    thats what i thought also. no reyes, beltran or delgado. the Mets lineup looked worse than ours & thats hard to do.
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    Re: Bronson Arroyo can't miss bats

    Third time in the last 5 games that the Mets have been shutout, and they have scored 9 runs in their last 7 games. Averaging 2.2 runs a game the past two weeks.

    I wouldn't declare Arroyo "fixed" yet.
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    Re: Bronson Arroyo can't miss bats

    As has been mentioned vs that lineup I wouldn't get too carried away although it was an improvement for Arroyo and a much needed break for the bullpen. But only 5 k's in 9 innings vs that same unimpressive lineup isn't impressive.
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