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    UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    I was watching the PPV last night with a couple of friends and, at the end of the card, the question was posed: Is Brock Lesner bad for the UFC?

    At the end of his fight with Mir, he acted like he was back in the WWF. He started talking trash immediately to Mir, before the doctors had even finished looking at him. He flicked off the crowd, told them all to keep booing him and that he loved it, did nothing but insult Mir in his post-fight interview with Rogan, and then crapped all over the sponsor of the event.

    For a sport that has made great strides in gaining legitimacy over the past few years, it felt like a huge step backwards. I honestly felt like I was watching an episode of "Monday Night Raw" and Lesner was cutting a promo on Shawn Michaels or someone else. It didn't help that we saw the same clip (edited) on ESPNNews some 10-15 minutes later.

    He's obviously a very talented fighter (albeit pushed by Dana White to the top waaaayy too quickly), but I don't think he puts off an image that helps the sport.

    Maybe I'm totally off base on this, though.
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    Re: UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    I think you might be right. OTOH, every sport benefits from a good villain, and he is universally despised, except by a few hardcore fans. I hate him, personally and want to see someone jump to heavyweight who can take him down. Perhaps Fedor will sign with UFC and do the job.

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    Re: UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    MMA fans are some of the biggest snobs. They are going to hate him regardless of what he does. Oh and lets not act like Frank Mir didnt talk trash non stop before the fight.

    Lesner is who he is mainly because the fan base hates him for being an outsider. I'd bet that if he was never in the WWE majority of hte fans would love him.

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    Re: UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    As a wrestling fan who occassionally watches UFC, I love him (and did when he wrestled). And he's only going to make himself and UFC more money by cutting heel promos and wanting people to see him get beat.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    Let's keep in mind that UFC was built by a guy who never shuts his mouth, has public spats with his own fighters, and intentionally tries to get a rise out of virtually everyone.

    Dana White knows what he is doing. He pushed Brock to the top, bypassing the traditional dues paying, for a reason. Now he just needs a challenger people can get behind and pay to see beat the crap out of Brock, and it's buyrate heaven. Promoting 101, can't have a hero without first having a villain.
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    Re: UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    He's bringing publicity to a sport that is hoping to get into a more mainstream vibe. Bad for UFC? I don't think so, I think he's excellent for UFC.

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    Re: UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    It has raised my interest level in UFC so I'd say it's GOOD for the sport more than any negative connotations that could come along with his "showmanship."
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    Re: UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    Not only is Brock a credit to UFC, but to the Hispanic community as well.

    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    MMA fans are some of the biggest snobs. They are going to hate him regardless of what he does. Oh and lets not act like Frank Mir didnt talk trash non stop before the fight.

    Lesner is who he is mainly because the fan base hates him for being an outsider. I'd bet that if he was never in the WWE majority of hte fans would love him.
    Most of the people who hate Brock also hate Mir. I don't like either one but in truth I'm thrilled to have them both around. Brock is arrogant, brash and obnoxious. In other words, he has everything needed to play the role of superstar villain.

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    Re: UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    The fans last night in Mir's hometown of Vegas were booing the crap out of Lesnar all night. Frank Mir ran his mouth all the way leading up to the fight. Lesnar beat him like a rag doll for a round and a half. The fans then boo'd him some more so he told them how he felt about it. The guy is the best fighter in the sport right now, there is no way thats a bad thing.

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    Re: UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds1869 View Post
    Most of the people who hate Brock also hate Mir. I don't like either one but in truth I'm thrilled to have them both around. Brock is arrogant, brash and obnoxious. In other words, he has everything needed to play the role of superstar villain.
    Still MMA fans are snobs. Its like the old crowd of baseball fans that want to scoff at any type of new stat. They hate him for his track to the tops.

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    Re: UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    The fans last night in Mir's hometown of Vegas were booing the crap out of Lesnar all night. Frank Mir ran his mouth all the way leading up to the fight. Lesnar beat him like a rag doll for a round and a half. The fans then boo'd him some more so he told them how he felt about it. The guy is the best fighter in the sport right now, there is no way thats a bad thing.
    I love Brock and loved his performance last night, the fight and post-fight, but I think guys like Fedor and Anderson Silva have something to say about him being the best fighter. I'll throw GSP in that too.
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    Re: UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11larkin11 View Post
    I love Brock and loved his performance last night, the fight and post-fight, but I think guys like Fedor and Anderson Silva have something to say about him being the best fighter. I'll throw GSP in that too.
    We will find out eventually, but I don't see him losing anytime soon. He is just bigger, faster and stronger than those guys.

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    Re: UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    We will find out eventually, but I don't see him losing anytime soon. He is just bigger, faster and stronger than those guys.
    Well he will never fight Silva or GSP, but I'm not sure he could take Fedor. Maybe once Fedor is too old to be good anymore, ala Coture/Liddel
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    Re: UFC 100: Is Brock Lesner bad for UFC?

    Quote Originally Posted by guttle11 View Post
    Let's keep in mind that UFC was built by a guy who never shuts his mouth, has public spats with his own fighters, and intentionally tries to get a rise out of virtually everyone.

    Dana White knows what he is doing. He pushed Brock to the top, bypassing the traditional dues paying, for a reason. Now he just needs a challenger people can get behind and pay to see beat the crap out of Brock, and it's buyrate heaven. Promoting 101, can't have a hero without first having a villain.
    This. Speaking of Dana's ego, I literally LOL'd when I saw the cover of the UFC Magazine with HIM in a FIGHT POSE. He apparently has gotten ragged enough about it and said something along the lines of that the photogs had taken shots of Rampage, Anderson Silva, St. Pierre, maybe a few others, but "they" didn't like how the photos turned out, so "they" chose Dana's photo. One of those on hand denies this. Hah.

    Like him or hate him, THAT'S the point - everyone feels one way or the other about Lesnar. Brock brings mainstream publicity, his shenanigans are not hurting MMA any worse than Bernard Hopkins telling Roy Jones Jr. he is going to murder all his chickens on his farm and stuff like that. Just more stuff to LOL at to me. I thought Lesnar's promo was tremendous.


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