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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Beckham can swing the bat at a major league level, Cozart can't.

    Beckham could handle SS for the first few years of his career without problem. It's like Jay Bruce in CF.

    Would you rather have Juan Castro playing SS instead of Felipe Lopez? I wouldn't.
    I think its an assumption to suggest that Cozart can't swing a bat at the MLB level, especially in 2010.

    And while Beckham may be able to 'handle' shortstop it would be because of his bat, not because of his glove, because his glove/range aren't all that good at shortstop.

    And I don't see Cozart as a JC type. He has strong plate discipline and some pop.

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    Beckham in the SL this year - .864 OPS, 14BB, 26K.
    Cozart in the SL this year - .803 OPS, 42BB, 60K.

    Given that one has no questions about sticking at SS and one most certainly does, I am all about the guy who is going to stick there in everyone's mind. Beckham will have the better stick between the two, but lets not pretend that Cozart is not showing pretty solid signs with the stick at AA.

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    Beckham had 30 PA at AAA, and 160 at AA. Nothing to get super excited about. He was rushed to the majors.

    Those numbers could be easily skewed one way or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I think its an assumption to suggest that Cozart can't swing a bat at the MLB level, especially in 2010.

    And while Beckham may be able to 'handle' shortstop it would be because of his bat, not because of his glove, because his glove/range aren't all that good at shortstop.

    And I don't see Cozart as a JC type. He has strong plate discipline and some pop.

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    Beckham in the SL this year - .864 OPS, 14BB, 26K.
    Cozart in the SL this year - .803 OPS, 42BB, 60K.

    Given that one has no questions about sticking at SS and one most certainly does, I am all about the guy who is going to stick there in everyone's mind. Beckham will have the better stick between the two, but lets not pretend that Cozart is not showing pretty solid signs with the stick at AA.
    Give Beckham 600 ABs in the Midwest League and 300 ABs in AA and see what kind of numbers he puts up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    Beckham had 30 PA at AAA, and 160 at AA. Nothing to get super excited about. He was rushed to the majors.

    Those numbers could be easily skewed one way or the other.
    He produced in college.
    He produced in AA.
    He produced in AAA.
    He's producing in the majors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Give Beckham 600 ABs in the Midwest League and 300 ABs in AA and see what kind of numbers he puts up.
    I am not sure I see what you are trying to say. Beckham came out of college at a more advanced stage in his career than did Cozart. Cozart had to retool his swing. Beckham didn't. And regardless of all of that, neither has to do with the players skillsets. Beckhams bat is better than Cozarts because he has a little more pop in it. Both players have strong discipline. Cozart has the edge on Beckham with the leather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I am not sure I see what you are trying to say. Beckham came out of college at a more advanced stage in his career than did Cozart. Cozart had to retool his swing. Beckham didn't. And regardless of all of that, neither has to do with the players skillsets. Beckhams bat is better than Cozarts because he has a little more pop in it. Both players have strong discipline. Cozart has the edge on Beckham with the leather.
    Beckham's advantages with the bat far outweigh Cozart's with the glove. Beckham will end up at 2nd base, and be a pretty solid golveman there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Beckham's advantages with the bat far outweigh Cozart's with the glove. Beckham will end up at 2nd base, and be a pretty solid golveman there.
    2B and 3B are pretty much equal in todays game as far as offense goes. So the fact that he may slide to 2B at some point is not really an 'upgrade' for his value.

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    Who said it was?
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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    He produced in college.
    He produced in AA.
    He produced in AAA.
    He's producing in the majors.
    Frazier has a better BB rate, strikes out less, has a better ISO.

    The reds could have easily rushed Frazier to the majors like the sox did to beckham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    Beckham had 30 PA at AAA, and 160 at AA. Nothing to get super excited about. He was rushed to the majors.

    Those numbers could be easily skewed one way or the other.

    so maybe Beckham is even better than he's showing?

    Holy Rogers Hornsby

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    Frazier has a better BB rate, strikes out less, has a better ISO.

    The reds could have easily rushed Frazier to the majors like the sox did to beckham.
    With huge holes in LF, CF, and SS why isn't he then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpresidente View Post
    OK, enough with the misinformation. Beckham is playing 3B because Fields had a .650 OPS and can't field worth a lick. At second, Nix is a GG quality fielder. That's it. He was playing SS in the minors. They haven't necessarily moved him there permanently, they're trying to put the best team on the field.
    Oh, the irony
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    Re: Would you trade Chris Heisey for....

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    With huge holes in LF, CF, and SS why isn't he then?
    because he could be doesnt mean he should be. He also doesnt play 2 of those 3 positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    so maybe Beckham is even better than he's showing?

    Holy Rogers Hornsby
    or he wasnt as good as the numbers said. those AAA numbers are pretty much meaningless to me.

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    Re: Would you trade Chris Heisey for....

    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    or he wasnt as good as the numbers said. those AAA numbers are pretty much meaningless to me.
    So what numbers do mean anything to you?
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