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    Why are the Angels so good?

    Year to year they are arguably the most consistent/best team.

    Lackey was hurt and isn't dominating. Escobar is hurt all year. Santana is a mess. Vlad isn't killing the ball and Shields is struggling in the pen. No K-Rod. And yet they are again winning their division and looking like a guarantee playoff team.

    Is it all on Scoscia? Is it the style of aggressive baseball that wears other teams down over 162 games? I'm just confused as to why this team consistently wins no matter what they have going wrong.

    I tend to think it's the pressure they put on other teams and their usual great bullpen. Their style of hitting seems to force other teams to make mistakes. I also think they way they practice running the bases is a huge component of why they scrap out wins.

    Anyone got any ideas that I left out?
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    Re: Why are the Angels so good?

    Because they are not the Reds?

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    Re: Why are the Angels so good?

    A soft division helps, but Scioscia definitely deserves a ton of credit for the job he does. He gets pretty much the best out of everybody who comes through there. The Angels coaching staff does a real nice job of finding whatever it is a player needs to step up his game a level.
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    Re: Why are the Angels so good?

    Good organizations find ways, period. They find the right players to fill gaps, they find the right leaders (manager) to put those players in the best position to succeed. When the pitching stinks on a given night, they win 9-8. When they can't hit, they win 2-1.

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    Re: Why are the Angels so good?

    Partly because they play a majority of their games against bad or poor franchises is one reason I think.

    36% of their wins were in the division in 2008, 34% IN 2007, 44% IN 2006, 36% IN 2005, 37% in 2004.

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    Re: Why are the Angels so good?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Partly because they play a majority of their games against bad or poor franchises is one reason I think.

    36% of their wins were in the division in 2008, 34% IN 2007, 44% IN 2006, 36% IN 2005, 37% in 2004.
    But they seem to own the Yankees. Arguably the best team in baseball. Saying they win because of division alone seems simplistic, IMO.
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    Re: Why are the Angels so good?

    It's all about the monkey.



    That, and they have seven players with an OBP of .350 or better (including four at over .380). They have four guys slugging at over .500. Sure enough, the Angels are 3rd in runs scored so far this year.
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    Re: Why are the Angels so good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    But they seem to own the Yankees. Arguably the best team in baseball. Saying they win because of division alone seems simplistic, IMO.

    Since when have the Yankees been the best team in baseball?
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    Re: Why are the Angels so good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Since when have the Yankees been the best team in baseball?
    I think they are this year. And they have the second best record in the hardest division.
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    Re: Why are the Angels so good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    I think they are this year. And they have the second best record in the hardest division.
    Even if that's true, they haven't exactly lived up to their hype the last several years.
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    Re: Why are the Angels so good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    But they seem to own the Yankees. Arguably the best team in baseball. Saying they win because of division alone seems simplistic, IMO.
    They definitely win the division every season because of the division. Put them in the East or Central and they'd be on the outside of the playoff picture as often as not.

    Here's where the Angels fall in the AL pythag rankings in recent years:

    2009 - T-6th
    2008 - 6th
    2007 - 4th
    2006 - 9th
    2005 - T-2nd
    2004 - 2nd
    2003 - 8th
    2002 - 1st

    Good team for sure, but it's best years were 2002-2005 (feel free to call them the Darin Erstad Years).
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    Re: Why are the Angels so good?

    I don't know, but it must be nice to only have to worry about three other teams every year.

    That gives them decent odds, just right there.

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    Re: Why are the Angels so good?

    Good defensively, great on the basepaths, execute when they need to execute, traditionally good bullpen. Those, by the way, are common denominators among most of the "why are they so good" teams. It's the stuff that doesn't get noticed unless you watch them every day.

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    Re: Why are the Angels so good?

    The Angles will fundamental you to death. They play good defense, run the bases well, have good bats in the lineup, have good pitching depth, and have a good farm system. They really do it without breaking the bank and have done it over the past decade. I think they are very similar to the Twins, just with a little more cash.

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    Re: Why are the Angels so good?

    The short answer: No black holes. The only guy they had who was killing them was Howie Kendrick who is now in AAA. The Reds put their black holes at the top of the lineup. It's really hard to overstate how much damage is done by giving regular playing time to sub-replacement players.

    That said, they are 4 games over their pythag -- perhaps its just a few big blowouts, but they are unlikely to sustain a .578 pace when playing .533 quality ball.

    This helps too:
    2009: $113,709,000
    2008: $119,216,333
    2007: $109,251,333
    2006: $103,472,000
    2005: $ 97,725,322
    2004: $100,534,667
    2003: $ 79,031,667
    2002: $ 61,721,667
    2001: $ 47,735,167
    2000: $ 55,800,000

    Being able to afford a $10M 4th OF is handy. This is really where the payroll is helpful -- not necessarily in building your core of talent, but being able to smooth over your mistakes.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 07-22-2009 at 08:26 AM.
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