But hey, it's something.
But hey, it's something.
On a related note, it appears with the recent dumpster-diving, a big move for pitching isn't happening at the deadline.
I could see us dumping Arroyo plus cash on someone but that's it. Hell, Nick Swisher made a horse's patoot of himself in front of the Steinbrenners in TB last night, maybe ask about him.
Reds 2010 payroll with Edwin: 56.5
Reds 2010 payroll with Rolen (and not Edwin): 62.75
Maybe you stick with Janish's glove at SS. And a whole lot of league minimum salaries for the rest of the team. That means there could be $6-10 to spend on a left field free agent and still be in the $75 to $80 payroll range.
Just saying: even if they don't unload an Arroyo or Harang contract but still acquire Rolen, there is *some* money to play with. How's it's spent... well... there we're in a little gray area.
I have a love-hate relationship with Albert Pujols. Mostly hate.
I think its important to remember that the deadline for acquiring Scott Rolen isn't July 31, heck it really doesn't even matter if he's acquired by August 31(Post-Season deadline.)
Also, the Reds should be able to shed Arroyo's payroll onto a contender if the contender is agreeable. I doubt anyone's going to claim him off waivers if they're trying to make a trade.
12:34pm: No mention of Alonso from him, but Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun tweets, "Looks like Rolen to Reds has a 'good chance' of getting done."
12:20pm: Joe McDonald of the Providence Journal says the Reds and Jays are talking about a Rolen-Yonder Alonso swap. Say what?
"But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."
Good point FCB.
I'm back on the Rolen bandwagon. But I can't believe they'd include Alonso if it's just Rolen coming back. It appears the Jays need to cut costs, so there's no way the Reds eat salary and have to give up an elite prospect. Is there?
"Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini
How come the cincy writers/media have absolutely no sources?
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I can see giving up EE plus chaff for Rolen. Defense and leadership and professionalism does count some.
But why in heaven's name would they give up Alonso?
Pay attention to the open sky
It was mentioned in another thread, but I think some general managers are shrewdly using other media outlets to get out what they want. Putting Alonso's name out in the open could be a leveraging tactic to drive up the price.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
If we had shed all our cumbersome contracts, had addressed the major outstanding needs at SP, SS, LF, had seen all of youngsters trending towards major production upswings, and had a nice haul from the farm knocking down the door... THEN it might have been the time to enjoy a 1 year rental of Rolen in a gesture of going for it. But we've accomplished NONE of the above. Rolen is a great fit for a lot of teams for the professionalism, leadership, production that he brings, but the 2009/2010 Reds would not appear to be one of them.
Jocketty has no overarching plan, and seemingly no new innovative ideas, so this smacks of a safety retreat into the familiarity of acquiring an old resource that helped change his team's fortunes in the past. Only it's 7 years late, and we're not the Cardinals.
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