I'm starting to come around on this opinion. This team literally needs improvement out of 70% of its 25 man roster. That won't be accomplished next year or in two or three years. That's a five year mission at least, be it Beane, Jocketty, Gillick, or DePodesta.Originally Posted by Stormy
This team is MLB's worst. Its immediate future is as bad as the Royals and the Nats.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
I was on the Scott Rolen bandwagon until I heard the price was Alonso. If Alonso is going there, I want a piece of Halladay or Scutaro or one of their top prospects. Or if it is straight up, we better be able to provide them speed off the bench in the form of Willy Taveras.
I like the concept of Alonso as trade bait, but I always imagined him getting traded for the shortstop of the future.
A source would not deny that the Jays are talking to the Reds about a Rolen trade. That usually means something's cooking...
http://twitter.com/MLBastian/status/2934866512
I don't believe for a second the price is Alonso. If it were, it would be as part of a bigger deal or would mean the Reds had something else cooking. Otherwise, I pass the Alonso thing off as nothing more than typical rumoring that happens 24 hours before the deadline.
I've vowed to give Walt Jocketty a chance. But I cannot fathom he would ever make that deal. And if he did (does), shame on him.
No worries for me though. I don't have the slightest belief there's truth to this 1-for-1 deal.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Usually when it gets to the point of being universally admitted there's serious talks, it winds up happening.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Let's hope you are right. I would have a hard time supporting WJ if he trades arguably our best minor league hitter for a 34 year old 3b. Again, I like Rolen, just he is not close to worth Alonso especially if the Reds have to pay Rolen $10 mil next year.
Five years? No. Two years? Maybe.
Hyperbole strikes again.This team is MLB's worst. Its immediate future is as bad as the Royals and the Nats.
Go BLUE!!!
I agree 100 percent. I think Rolen would be a good acquisition. And I'm not totally opposed to trading Yonder in the right deal. But these two things do not mix as positioned.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
How does one replace what needs to be replaced in two years? This team is a disaster from top to bottom. As has been discussed, there are 6-7 keepable or worthy players on the 25 man.
And even if you're really bullish on the minor leaguers, it certainly takes two or three years for most to produce at a competitive or contending level.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
Yes. I'd say that Votto, Phillips, EdE*, Bruce*, Cueto and Volquez*, and 2-3 bullpen arms, combine to form the nucleus of a slightly below average NL team (and even many of the keys to the young core have major question marks around them, denoted by *). This is further compounded by the fact that the remaining 2/3 of the roster is mostly comprised by absolute dreck, and a few solid role players.
So, even with optimal returns to health, and ideal progress from the farm, you're looking at the need to replace a majority of the roster, and in some cases replace them with major impact players (SP, SS, LF etc...). That's not happening on a quick timetable. Let's not make short-sighted trades, as though it were. The only thing that could change this would be the pie-in-the-sky scenario of major talent infusion via blockbuster trade, but I don't think we have the will or the fortitude for that.
I'd almost certainly dump EdE from the list. He's athletic laudanum.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
You answered your own question.
The Reds have a lot of perceived talent in the minor leagues. Things can turn around fast if you have a GM willing to pull the trigger.
Go BLUE!!!
http://www.drunkjaysfans.com/Reds Talks Stalling
Kenny Ken Ken and Pope John Paul Morosi are quoting a source describing the Scott Rolen talks between the Jays and Reds as "Going nowhere. Stuck. Impasse."
I assume that's a word for word quote of a txt message. I wonder if the punctuation is right.
Alonso for Rolen? Well, I've already done quite a bit of laughing this season so I guess I might as well laugh some more.
I actually like Scott Rolen too. I think he's been an underrated player most of his career, and I think he's got a pretty darn good case for the Hall of Fame. But he's getting up there in age and has been missing a good chunk of time to injury, and like Stormy said, this team has far too many problems for a Scott Rolen to fix. At this point in his career, Rolen is moreso a guy to use as a finishing touch, not help the foundation.
Then again, the Reds could have just drafted Gordon Beckham last year instead of Alonso and all of this would be a moot/already solved problem.
The Lost Decade Average Season: 74-88
2014-22 Average Season: 71-91
You don't rebuild with 34 year old players with a history of not being healthy. Rolen could be useful, but not for Alonso.
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