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    Re: Rolen Talks Revived

    Heck, this is a monumental waste of time chasing Rolen. Even if they get him for free.

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    Re: Rolen Talks Revived

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I'd almost certainly dump EdE from the list. He's athletic laudanum.
    True. He's just a guy who has shown some production, still at a fairly young age. He doesn't really fit here though, in any meaningful capacity. I'd still hold him until next year to see if you can't sell him high when he's hitting .275 with an 800+OPS, rather than at the lowest value of his career. You're right that he's more in the category of replacement, than foundation. There's not much foundation to go around though.

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    Re: Rolen Talks Revived

    FoxSports.com -

    Reds, Rolen talks 'going nowhere' — 2:25 p.m.

    The Reds' talks with the Blue Jays about third baseman Scott Rolen have failed to progress.

    Asked to characterize the negotiations, one source said, "Going nowhere. Stuck. Impasse."

    The impasse could break if the Jays trade Roy Halladay. At that point, they would concede the 2010 season and likely move Rolen and other veterans.
    Maybe because they wanted Yonder Alonso! That is a step in the wrong direction even if Alonso was drafted just to use as trade bait. Scott Rolen is not the targeted player I would be dealing a number 1 draft choice for.
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    Re: Rolen Talks Revived

    two financially challenged franchises trying to work a deal where only 1 big contract moves -- these days, that's a tough one to execute -- Reds do have the leverage, though
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    Re: Rolen Talks Revived

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Heck, this is a monumental waste of time chasing Rolen. Even if they get him for free.
    You could at least show some consistency within the thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    That infield would be solidly demonic defensively (let's assume Janish for the sake of argument): Rolen, Janish, Phillips, Votto, and Hanigan. Assume Heisey/Stubbs in CF, Bruce (maybe) in RF. Get a masher in LF. They're all of a sudden on to something. Offensively, they're not that far away if they get Rolen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    You could at least show some consistency within the thread:
    Stormy's changed my opinion, as I've said upthread. Foolish consistency and all that....

    When the facts change, my conclusions change... blah blah.

    The Reds have to replace 4/5th of a rotation, 3/5th at best. They're not contending for years, even if they turn around the offense quickly (which they still can).

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    And for the record, I think Yonder Alonso will be gone before he hits the bigs.

    His only position is 1b, and there is no way, no how the Reds are going to touch anything about Joey Votto as long he's performing at the level he currently is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Stormy's changed my opinion, as I've said upthread. Foolish consistency and all that....

    When the facts change, my conclusions change... blah blah.
    A broken clock is right two times a day.

    Though I do sometimes agree with your (assertive) opinions, (perhaps it's the broken clock analogy), I sure would love to see a data point set of your statements on various subjects. Those dots would be all over the grid. And I say that more in an entertainment sort of way, than anything negative. Your opinions most certainly do fascinate me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    A broken clock is right two times a day.

    Though I do sometimes agree with your (assertive) opinions, (perhaps it's the broken clock analogy), I sure would love to see a data point set of your statements on various subjects. Those dots would be all over the grid. And I say that more in an entertainment sort of way, than anything negative. Your opinions most certainly do fascinate me.
    Data point set.

    I'd say where it merits, my opinions are blindingly consistent. When the facts change, my opinions generally do as well.

    I'd say that, despite the extremity of opinion that some folks perceive, that's usually far more reasonable than not.

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    Re: Rolen Talks Revived

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    And for the record, I think Yonder Alonso will be gone before he hits the bigs.

    His only position is 1b, and there is no way, no how the Reds are going to touch anything about Joey Votto as long he's performing at the level he currently is.
    I think you're right that Alonso will be gone before ever wearing a Reds uniform, and I think he should be ... unless, of course, the Reds want to teach him left field, and I don't think I'd want to witness that.

    But at the same time, and most people agree with this (you probably do too), the Reds need to use Alonso for a better target than Rolen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Data point set.

    I'd say where it merits, my opinions are blindingly consistent. When the facts change, my opinions generally do as well.

    I'd say that, despite the extremity of opinion that some folks perceive, that's usually far more reasonable than not.
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    Re: Rolen Talks Revived

    At the risk of being proven wrong later this afternoon by a deal or something, I'll risk the opinion that Yonder Alonso will play for the Reds, will move Joey Votto to LF (or perhaps to RF if he can play that). I think Alonso will prove too valuable not to play. On the matter of FCB's switching gears, I've got no problem with that. It's certainly not clear that we should be looking at Rolen, though I've generally thought we should--and still do, given the right deal. But pursuing Rolen really only makes sense if you think we have some--even the smallest--window of opportunity to contend in 2010. What's being crushed out of us now is even that small hope and so assessments about players to be dealt for and dealt are in flux. The case for Rolen would still, however, be, to use FCB's terms, that he would give us a third "major league player"--i.e. somebody who could actually play his position and be an above average regular (I count Votto and Phillips as the other two, hoping of course for Bruce too but recognizing he's not yet established that status for himself.)

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    Re: Rolen Talks Revived

    2:00pm: CBSSports' Danny Knobler says the Jays would get Edwin Encarnacion and others, if this does get done. The sticking point appears to be how much of Rolen's remaining $15MM the Jays would assume.

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    Re: Rolen Talks Revived

    I'd love to hear who the "others" are.

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    Re: Rolen Talks Revived

    This is as update from 10 minutes ago from Fox Sports:

    The Reds' talks with the Blue Jays about third baseman Scott Rolen have failed to progress.

    Asked to characterize the negotiations, one source said, "Going nowhere. Stuck. Impasse."

    The impasse could break if the Jays trade Roy Halladay. At that point, they would concede the 2010 season and likely move Rolen and other veterans.

    Another source says the chances of Rolen going to the Reds are "50-50," adding, "Not dead."


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