The owner, the GM, the manager, and most of the players are all jokes. If they dont trade away all they can for prospects there idiots. Harang, Arroyo, EE, Weathers, Rhodes, Cordero, and even Philliups need to be gone. The Reds need to clear money and bring in young talent. Then in the off season make a run at Holliday barring the Cards signing him long term. They also need top find a SS and 1 more starting pitcher. But with this crew its hard to say who they see as a upgrade I just dont trust them.