This is a pathetic trade. There's no way around it. It's a pathetic trade. Probably the worst trade I can remember in quite a while.
This is a pathetic trade. There's no way around it. It's a pathetic trade. Probably the worst trade I can remember in quite a while.
I'd really be curious to know how many who are grieving the loss of Zach Stewart know much about him beyond "Dougdirt likes him a lot." If that is the only basis for your opinion, then I really do not see the validity of evaluating the trade based on his being in the trade. I have to plead ignorance on him beyond "there is no such thing as a pitching prospect," so I can see Rolen > EE in every way, therefore Reds just got better. Roenicke seems to be a good 1-2 inning guy in the grand scheme of things, but relievers, who knows?
And Toronto threw in some cash to help their return. I liked the idea of Rolen when the talks began, but then I liked the Taveras signing this offseason, so my track record is mixed at best.
Any truth to the rumor that George Grande has been giggling like a schoolgirl for the past two hours and is planning a huge 10X14 "Welcome Prince Scotty" mural he can take to the airport tonight?
4:50pm: Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star reports that the Jays will pay all of Rolen's 2009 salary, nearly $4MM.
Nah, he'll only bat cleanup if he's playing second base. If he's in center field, he'll be batting leadoff.Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking
The Lost Decade Average Season: 74-88
2014-22 Average Season: 71-91
So, I wonder how much cash the Jays are kicking in? Somewhere between $1 and $4mm.
I'm hoping it's closer to $4mm.
Ah, didn't see the above post. "Nearly all." Got it.
Just enough to pay for Walt's last bowel movement, our current center fielder. Now that I think about it, I'm much more sanguine about this trade if it ends up being Rolen in, Encarnacion, Stewart and Roenicke to Toronto, and Taveras pushed out of the team plane into the nearest body of water.
Last edited by dsmith421; 07-31-2009 at 05:57 PM.
which is a fluke
My mistake, I failed Dusty 101, Illogic.
Where we gonna go?
And this new batch of cash better be applied toward a worthwhile ballplayer this offseason, not Willy Taveras v2.0.
My problem with the Reds acquiring cash in deals is they often blow it on trash six months later.
The Lost Decade Average Season: 74-88
2014-22 Average Season: 71-91
Maybe. But it's August (tomorrow) and he's still batting .320.
This move doesn't put them over the top (obviously), but it doesn't break the farm either. It shores up (health a factor of course) for at least a year, while the young guys continue to develop.
I guess the Reds got tired of Edwin's consistant foul ups and inconsistant offense just like most of us have.
Last edited by Matt700wlw; 07-31-2009 at 05:57 PM.
They need to also pay part of his 2010 salary
Here are the numbers on the newest Red:
Code:Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards 1996 21 PHI NL 37 146 130 10 33 7 0 4 18 0 2 13 27 .254 .322 .400 .722 90 52 4 1 0 2 0 5 1997 22 PHI NL 156 657 561 93 159 35 3 21 92 16 6 76 138 .283 .377 .469 .846 121 263 6 13 0 7 4 *5 RoY-1 1998 23 PHI NL 160 711 601 120 174 45 4 31 110 14 7 93 141 .290 .391 .532 .923 139 320 10 11 0 6 6 *5 MVP-20GG 1999 24 PHI NL 112 497 421 74 113 28 1 26 77 12 2 67 114 .268 .368 .525 .893 119 221 8 3 0 6 2 *5 2000 25 PHI NL 128 541 483 88 144 32 6 26 89 8 1 51 99 .298 .370 .551 .920 129 266 4 5 0 2 9 *5 GG 2001 26 PHI NL 151 653 554 96 160 39 1 25 107 16 5 74 127 .289 .378 .498 .876 127 276 6 13 0 12 6 *5 MVP-24GG 2002 27 TOT NL 155 667 580 89 154 29 8 31 110 8 4 72 102 .266 .357 .503 .860 129 292 22 12 0 3 4 *5 ASGGSS 2002 27 PHI NL 100 438 375 52 97 21 4 17 66 5 2 52 68 .259 .358 .472 .830 123 177 12 8 0 3 2 5 2002 27 STL NL 55 229 205 37 57 8 4 14 44 3 2 20 34 .278 .354 .561 .915 139 115 10 4 0 0 2 5 2003 28 STL NL 154 657 559 98 160 49 1 28 104 13 3 82 104 .286 .382 .528 .910 138 295 19 9 0 7 5 *5 ASGG 2004 29 STL NL 142 593 500 109 157 32 4 34 124 4 3 72 92 .314 .409 .598 1.007 157 299 8 13 1 7 5 *5 ASMVP-4GG 2005 30 STL NL 56 223 196 28 46 12 1 5 28 1 2 25 28 .235 .323 .383 .706 84 75 3 1 0 1 1 5 AS 2006 31 STL NL 142 594 521 94 154 48 1 22 95 7 4 56 69 .296 .369 .518 .887 126 270 10 9 0 8 7 *5 ASGG 2007 32 STL NL 112 441 392 55 104 24 2 8 58 5 3 37 56 .265 .331 .398 .729 89 156 13 5 0 7 2 *5 2008 33 TOR AL 115 467 408 58 107 30 3 11 50 5 0 46 71 .262 .349 .431 .780 107 176 12 10 0 3 2 *5 2009 34 TOR AL 88 373 338 52 108 29 0 8 43 4 2 26 42 .320 .370 .476 .846 123 161 2 4 0 5 1 *5 14 Seasons 14 Seasons 14 Seasons 14 Seasons 1708 7220 6244 1064 1773 439 35 280 1105 113 44 790 1210 .284 .370 .500 .870 125 3122 127 109 1 76 54 162 Game Avg. 162 Game Avg. 162 Game Avg. 162 Game Avg. 162 685 592 101 168 42 3 27 105 11 4 75 115 .284 .370 .500 .870 125 296 12 10 0 7 5 PHI (7 yrs) PHI (7 yrs) PHI (7 yrs) PHI (7 yrs) 844 3643 3125 533 880 207 19 150 559 71 25 426 714 .282 .373 .504 .877 125 1575 50 54 0 38 29 STL (6 yrs) STL (6 yrs) STL (6 yrs) STL (6 yrs) 661 2737 2373 421 678 173 13 111 453 33 17 292 383 .286 .370 .510 .879 127 1210 63 41 1 30 22 TOR (2 yrs) TOR (2 yrs) TOR (2 yrs) TOR (2 yrs) 203 840 746 110 215 59 3 19 93 9 2 72 113 .288 .358 .452 .810 114 337 14 14 0 8 3 NL (12 yrs) NL (12 yrs) NL (12 yrs) NL (12 yrs) 1505 6380 5498 954 1558 380 32 261 1012 104 42 718 1097 .283 .372 .507 .878 126 2785 113 95 1 68 51 AL (2 yrs) AL (2 yrs) AL (2 yrs) AL (2 yrs) 203 840 746 110 215 59 3 19 93 9 2 72 113 .288 .358 .452 .810 114 337 14 14 0 8 3
This is how I see it too - I'm amazed at how many people hate this trade.
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