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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    The fact that the Reds could have made this same move without Stewart in December?
    We don't know that. The price could be even higher in December if all other 3rd basemen are off the market
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    If the Reds a getting 4 million for Rolen's 2010 salary of 11 million and are dumping the 4.75 EE was going to make then basically they are only paying 2.25 million more for Rolen for next year than they would have been for EE, who is basically useless IMO. If Rolen is healthy, which is admittedly a big IF, then this could work out ok for 2010.

    No, they are still on the hook for all of Rolen's salary in 2010.

    So that makes a $6.25MM extra all for better defense (when he's healthy enough to play).

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    According to one poster with connections to the Reds minor leagues, a pitching coach who worked with Stewart called this trade "off the wall nuts." I agree.
    Now that sounds real objective.
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    The more I think about this deal the angrier I get. I'm taking a break. See you great folks later.
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    .370 career OBP

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    Rolen gets on base. He can field the ball AND throw it to first base. He's a leader, and for a team that desperately needs one, that's vitally important.
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    I'm not expecting a Cy Young from Stewart, more like a solid 3rd/4th starter type or a potential closeer to make Cordero expenndable in a year or so.

    The fact that he was traded does not bother me as much as the fact that he was traded for nothing of value. Wasting trading chips and dollars are what make this the kind of wretched excrement that keeps this franchise as mediocre as it is.

    Signing Rolen to an extension is the only thing that could make this worse. You want to incliude Stewart in a deal? Fine. Wait a year, package him and Roenicke in a deal with Alonso and Frazier and get a real return that can help this franchise climb out of the cesspit, not weight in down and sink it deeper in the...
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    The more I think about this deal the angrier I get. I'm taking a break. See you great folks later.
    You need to.

    Joint, beer, something

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan View Post
    We don't know that. The price could be even higher in December if all other 3rd basemen are off the market
    Very doubtful.

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    Basically, with EE's raise next year, and the money from the Jay's, this raises the payroll around $2M next year.

    And if I remember correctly, weren't you predicting that the Reds would be just re-arranging deck chairs this trade deadline? Not saying that just because you got it wrong about today means you'll be wrong about next season, but you do seem to keep moving the goalposts. But I would too, if I had "2009: fail" under my name in every post.
    That was my prediction yes. But I also said it was *possible* they'd go for Rolen with no other supporting moves. A minor leage catcher and the Balentine kid certinally qualifies. I'd say I nailed that one.

    And if you want to describe this season as a success be my guest, but FAIL is what this season is and will be.

    I'm batting .1000 here so the fieldgoals haven't moved an inch. Nice try though.
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by corkedbat View Post
    I'm not expecting a Cy Young from Stewart, more like a solid 34d/4th starter type or a potential closeer to make Cordero expenndable in a year or so.

    The fact that he was traded does not bother me as much as the fact that he was traded for nothing of value. Wasting trading chips and dollars are what make this the kind of wretched excrement that keeps this franchise as mediocre as it is.

    Signing Rolen to an extension is the only thing that could make this worse. You want to incliude Stewart in a deal? Fine. Wait a year, package him and Roenicke in a deal with Alonso and Frazier and get a real return that can help thise franchise climb out of the cesspit, not weight in down and sink it deeper in the...
    ^^^^^

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    I think the big issue is simply this, we can't trust our GM (yet again) to make smart decisions, so in essence we know where we are going because the same guy is driving the car. Losing Stewart is just the writing on the wall.
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    I'm batting .1000 here so the fieldgoals haven't moved an inch. Nice try though.
    I hope ya have an elite glove.....
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    The $4M the Jays included and the nearly $5M EE makes next year, which they left out, make this less of a head scratcher. I'd say it about evens it out.
    Isn't the $4MM to pay the rest of Rolen's salary ($4MM) this year?

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post
    No, they are still on the hook for all of Rolen's salary in 2010.

    So that makes a $6.25MM extra all for better defense (when he's healthy enough to play).
    MLB.com says the jays are paying 4 mil of rolens 2010 salary.
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