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    Re: Why do we care?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOYA View Post
    I'm a Vikings fan. Remember Herschel Walker?
    That was bad.

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    Re: Why do we care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    That was bad.
    No, that was devastating.

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    I hate this trade. I think a model franchise develops the bulk of its roster through the draft and its own player development system. I enjoyed watching Stewart make great strides and was really looking forward to him helping the big club. Now I get to watch an aging vet on a mediocre team.

    Yay.
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    Now I get to watch an aging vet on a mediocre team.

    Yay.
    Like Larkin and Junior's later years. No REDS' fan more than you knows how horrible a trade this was as you watched Stewart in Carolina, I assume, this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    Like Larkin and Junior's later years. No REDS' fan more than you knows how horrible a trade this was as you watched Stewart in Carolina, I assume, this year.
    Until the recent roster shakeup, the Mudcats were a pleasure to watch. Wood and Stewart were a terrific combo down here.
    Stop! Heisey time!

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    I am totally stunned by this trade. Stewart is special and it baffles me that Jocketty doesn't know that. Remember, if he had his way, Dye would be in the lineup and Homer would be gone. Dye's good, but he's 35!! Roenicke is going to be a good ML pitcher, better than Lincoln, Herrera, Bray, Fisher, and probably Burton.

    And then, Weens from the Yankees????? Jeez!!! How did they even know who he is, and if they do know who he is, how do they not know who Stewart is!!!???

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    You just never really know when it comes to trading

    Jocketty says Rolen is as good a 3B that's EVER played the game in his opinion ranking him up there with Schimdt and Robinson. So if you look at it that way, the Reds got a future Hall of Famer for an error prone, low average hitting 3B, a bull pen guy, and a question mark.

    Sure, Stewart may end up being the next John Smoltz, but he could easily go and blow out his arm next year or next week, or even end up being somewhat mediocre in the majors.

    In Rolen, we got a proven commidity. Sure, he's dinged and not showroom floor brand new, but he's better on the field and in the clubhouse than any of the 3 we got him for.

    I'm a little bummed about Stewart leaving, but I'm glad we have Rolen much more. I remember other forums going ape chit whenever Zach Ward was traded, and look how that turned out. Again, Stewart may end up differently, but I'm very happy with Cueto, Bailey, Arroyo, Volquez, etc that is available and I still like our bullpen options too.

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    Re: Why do we care?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOYA View Post
    I'm a Vikings fan. Remember Herschel Walker?
    Nice Goya, there are a few of us around....and you are dead on. It would be like the Reds trading their entire A-AA rosters for Rolen.

    I'm also a lifelong Sixers fan....and could spend the rest of my evening posting about their knucklehead moves over the last 20 years that are far worse.

    Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mac624 View Post
    Jocketty says Rolen is as good a 3B that's EVER played the game in his opinion ranking him up there with Schimdt and Robinson. So if you look at it that way, the Reds got a future Hall of Famer for an error prone, low average hitting 3B, a bull pen guy, and a question mark.
    Sure, Stewart may end up being the next John Smoltz, but he could easily go and blow out his arm next year or next week, or even end up being somewhat mediocre in the majors.

    In Rolen, we got a proven commidity. Sure, he's dinged and not showroom floor brand new, but he's better on the field and in the clubhouse than any of the 3 we got him for.

    I'm a little bummed about Stewart leaving, but I'm glad we have Rolen much more. I remember other forums going ape chit whenever Zach Ward was traded, and look how that turned out. Again, Stewart may end up differently, but I'm very happy with Cueto, Bailey, Arroyo, Volquez, etc that is available and I still like our bullpen options too.
    Thats one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is an aging 34 year old back problems for a High OPS third baseman, a future closer, and a TOR Starter. Theres two ends to every spectrum
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    Re: You just never really know when it comes to trading

    Quote Originally Posted by mac624 View Post
    Jocketty says Rolen is as good a 3B that's EVER played the game in his opinion ranking him up there with Schimdt and Robinson. So if you look at it that way, the Reds got a future Hall of Famer for an error prone, low average hitting 3B, a bull pen guy, and a question mark.

    Sure, Stewart may end up being the next John Smoltz, but he could easily go and blow out his arm next year or next week, or even end up being somewhat mediocre in the majors.

    In Rolen, we got a proven commidity. Sure, he's dinged and not showroom floor brand new, but he's better on the field and in the clubhouse than any of the 3 we got him for.

    I'm a little bummed about Stewart leaving, but I'm glad we have Rolen much more. I remember other forums going ape chit whenever Zach Ward was traded, and look how that turned out. Again, Stewart may end up differently, but I'm very happy with Cueto, Bailey, Arroyo, Volquez, etc that is available and I still like our bullpen options too.
    How is Rolen gonna help this team make the playoffs before his contract is up?

    We have a year and a half with him, unless you want a 37 year old Scott Rolen. Look, I like the player. Even at his age and with his injury concerns, he's 1000000x the third baseman EE is. But he isn't going to push this team over the hump; his contract only adds to the dead-weight contracts this incompetent front office has strapped themselves in to. Cordero, Arroyo, Harang, Tavares and now Rolen comprise most of the team's payroll. None of those guys would be here, at least for their price, if this FO had any idea what they were doing. But they're here, and we won't be able to afford the SS or LF or another quality starter we need to make a run next year.

    So, in essence, you trade your best pitching prospect to insure that you don't finish in last place this year. Awesome. This isn't a move that a smart franchise would make. It's simply a case of a GM lusting after one of his boys, and doing whatever it takes to get him.

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    Sad day for the Minor League board.

    I am really surprised how many people are fine with this trade on the ORG and Sundeck.

    Maybe it's me and I should just give up, but I can't in any way justify this trade. And I had Wood ranked ahead of Stewart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post
    Sad day for the Minor League board.

    I am really surprised how many people are fine with this trade on the ORG and Sundeck.

    Maybe it's me and I should just give up, but I can't in any way justify this trade. And I had Wood ranked ahead of Stewart.
    Id rank this version of Wood over Stewart. I just dont know if the version of Wood we are having now is as likely to be the wood of the future compared to Stewart of now and of the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    Id rank this version of Wood over Stewart. I just dont know if the version of Wood we are having now is as likely to be the wood of the future compared to Stewart of now and of the future.
    Yeah what he said. And what is funny is that listening to Ricciardi (he sounded genuinely giddy as he should be) talk it sounded like that was what was offered and not necc. what was asked for. I bet they asked for Alonso and Walt came back with Stewart. Wow is all I can still think!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    Yeah what he said. And what is funny is that listening to Ricciardi (he sounded genuinely giddy as he should be) talk it sounded like that was what was offered and not necc. what was asked for. I bet they asked for Alonso and Walt came back with Stewart. Wow is all I can still think!
    I still cant believe it. The Jays got the best pitching prospect that moved and didnt even have to trade their best pitcher in the process. Crazy.

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    Just thinking out loud here. I find it odd that no contenders could put together a deal for arguably the best pitcher in baseball in Roy Halladay because Ricciardi's asking price was too high. Then Walt comes around and deals our best pitching prospect, plus EE and Roenicke. I understand that it's not the same situation but for some reason that sticks in my mind.

    Also, in my opinion, the worst part of the whole situation is that Walt made the move because he wanted to bring his boy back, and Cast wanted to sell some tickets and make it look like the Reds are trying to improve to the casual fans. This deal just stinks of making a move for popular opinion and not thinking of the clubs future.


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