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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    Todd's gonna learn to play catcher?
    No, but did that stop Javy?

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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    No. He's gonna grow a sweet porn stache.
    No one can top Javy's though.

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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    No one can top Javy's though.

    Goes without saying.
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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    No one can top Javy's though.
    "Bring on Rod Stupid!"

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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    Whoa....Nate's throwing down.
    a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.

    I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate

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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Blasphemy!!
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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    Todd's gonna learn to play catcher?
    we can dream.
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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    we can dream.
    It's probably too late but I can see it as still being worth an experiment. Why not?

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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    That's an interesting question. Defensively, it would be a big upgrade as both Rolen and Rosales can pick it. Offensively...hard to say. Rosales is pretty bad with the bat, Rolen is above average. EE is average...I dunno.

    However, I wonder if Sutton wouldn't get some time at 3b. Or is he strictly a middle infielder? His bat might be better than Rosales. His defense is probably on par with EE's so if he can play, it might give some "depth" if Rolen is gimpy.
    Here is how Jojo answered it in another thread. I think this is the most accurate analysis of the comparison between EE and Rolen.

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I really do think ORGsters have jumped the shark with their characterization of Rolen as over the hill.

    He is exceeding projections for his bat this season but not so dramatically that one should be surprised or shocked (projected wOBA=.343; actual wOBA= .362). His defense has been exceptional once again. Looking at his offensive peripherals, there really aren't ominous signs of decline being masked by a lucky BABIP.

    This "over the hill" thirdsacker is on pace to be a 3.6 win player assuming he only logs 500 PAs this season.

    Next season he should reasonably be expected to be a 3 win player assuming only 450 PAs. He might be even more-it wouldn't be outlandish. This is especially so given he's moved to a better hitter's environment, an easier league/division and essentially is about as close to home as he'll get in a uni.

    People can ask, "But what about the other 150-200 PAs?" when arguing against Rolen. Well, it's important to remember that Rolen may actually get some of those and that EE projects to only be a 2.5 win player at best and that is if he played the whole season. In other words, "part-time" Rolen + warm body is a significant upgrade at third over EE.

    Yes, the Reds gave up a couple of relief pitchers for the right to pay Rolen something akin to what he'd be worth on the open market. But they bought wins with the money. It looks like Rolen will cost roughly $5M more than what the Reds would've paid EE.

    The Reds had precious little payroll wiggle room before Rolen. Free agency probably wasn't going to be the route they were going to take to improve the club before Rolen.

    The Reds were going to have to shed payroll to spend big in December regardless. Nothing really has changed other than they have likely locked in a significant improvement already.
    The key point is that Rolen at 110 games is actually worth more than EE at 150 games. So anything that the other players produce during the other 50 games, is gravy.
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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    The key point is that Rolen at 110 games is actually worth more than EE at 150 games. So anything that the other players produce during the other 50 games, is gravy.

    I think that's absurd.

    if the Reds plan on replacing the injured Rolen with, oh I don't know-- Javy Pornstache comes to mind -- then that's on Rolen, just as it was on Larkin when he missed many games and his replacement was Juan the Magnificent. Juan's "production" may have been gravy on toast to you, but to me he was s+@# on a shingle.

    a hole in the lineup is disastrous, especially in the NL where there's already a pitcher in the lineup.
    Last edited by princeton; 08-04-2009 at 06:15 PM.
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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    I think that's absurd.

    if the Reds plan on replacing the injured Rolen with, oh I don't know-- Javy Pornstache comes to mind -- then that's on Rolen, just as it was on Larkin when he missed many games and his replacement was Juan the Magnificent.
    I don't see how that's on Rolen.
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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I don't see how that's on Rolen.


    counting stats really do count. you can have great percentages, but it doesn't much help if you're not actually out there.

    a lot of baseball is just showing up.
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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    counting stats really do count. you can have great percentages, but it doesn't much help if you're not actually out there.

    a lot of baseball is just showing up.
    It's not appropriate to discount what was done when a player showed up because one doesn't think the player showed up enough.

    For instance, Ben Sheets averaged 3.7 WAR/season (that's significantly above average production) as a Brewer between 2005-2008 despite only averaging 150 IP during that span.

    That's not less valuable because he didn't pitch 200+ per season.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    That's not less valuable because he didn't pitch 200+ per season.


    of course it is
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    Re: How did Walt do?

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    of course it is
    That's an artificial construct.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner


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