But we have no shot of contending in 2010, so it's worse than pointless, it's actively deleterious to the franchise.Originally Posted by dunner13
But we have no shot of contending in 2010, so it's worse than pointless, it's actively deleterious to the franchise.
This would have been a good deal for Rolen three or four years ago. Now? Not so much. Especially with the current state of the team.
“Every level he goes to, he is going to compete. They will know who he is at every level he goes to.” -- ED on EDLC
Truthfully I think this organization is still playing for 2009 ... otherwise this deal makes no sense because long term it is almost a certain loser.
Exactly. And I'm not even that high on Roenicke. This is all about Stewart for me. If he turns into a 1, 2 or 3 starter in the bigs, it's probably a bad deal. If he turns into a back-end guy or bullpen fodder, it's a good deal.
My guess is the latter is more likely than the former.
White Sox have traded for Peavy.
Stewart is in AAA right now pitching lights out. Odds that he never reaches the majors are about 1000 to 1.
So the best case scenario is that everyone involved tanks? Way to aim high, Jock.
Hate to see Stewart as part of the deal, but I don't think EE was a big draw in himself. On Stewart, let's remember how overpowering Ryan Wagner once seemed, another guy who blitzed through the minors. Rolen makes the infield immediately better. If we add a decent SS, the infield next year becomes first-rate. That's not nothing. Signing of Rolen may mean, too, that the FO is higher on Frazier than we've thought--i.e. that somebody thinks he really can hold down LF.
This could be totally true.
But unless the rest of the team is acyallt contender worthy over the next year, then it's a lose lose basically. Who knows if Rolen is still going to a viable trading chip at this point next year, if he's not, due to injury or whatever, the Reds just traded some of their better young talent to upgrade a reall really bad team, that is not a Rolen, or even a Halladay away from contending.
The Reds really want to get to .500. Too bad they aren't going to make it.
"My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton
Okay, well he reaches the majors and turns into a pumpkin. Very good odds on that.
Aiming low or being a realist?
Welcome to the group of maybe 4 people here that doesn't think this deal dooms the Reds forever..
One of Walt's strengths in StL was converting marginal prospects into ML talent.
EdE reached the point of being useless. He has negative value.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
That's exactly what it is.
How many teams try to "go for it" to make it to .500?
Walt is innovative I guess.
With the exception of some very emotional posts (made by typically emotional posters) nobody here is saying this move dooms the Reds forever.
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