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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    This is a pathetic trade. There's no way around it. It's a pathetic trade. Probably the worst trade I can remember in quite a while.
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    I'd really be curious to know how many who are grieving the loss of Zach Stewart know much about him beyond "Dougdirt likes him a lot." If that is the only basis for your opinion, then I really do not see the validity of evaluating the trade based on his being in the trade. I have to plead ignorance on him beyond "there is no such thing as a pitching prospect," so I can see Rolen > EE in every way, therefore Reds just got better. Roenicke seems to be a good 1-2 inning guy in the grand scheme of things, but relievers, who knows?

    And Toronto threw in some cash to help their return. I liked the idea of Rolen when the talks began, but then I liked the Taveras signing this offseason, so my track record is mixed at best.

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Any truth to the rumor that George Grande has been giggling like a schoolgirl for the past two hours and is planning a huge 10X14 "Welcome Prince Scotty" mural he can take to the airport tonight?

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    4:50pm: Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star reports that the Jays will pay all of Rolen's 2009 salary, nearly $4MM.

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking View Post
    If you read Fay's blog, it appears that Walt had real concerns over giving up Roenicke and Stewart but finally decided to go for it.

    Hopefully Rolen will get to Cincy by Saturday's game because tonight's lineup is extremely thin--if they go 10, Bronson will be in CF batting cleanup.
    Nah, he'll only bat cleanup if he's playing second base. If he's in center field, he'll be batting leadoff.
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    So, I wonder how much cash the Jays are kicking in? Somewhere between $1 and $4mm.

    I'm hoping it's closer to $4mm.
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Ah, didn't see the above post. "Nearly all." Got it.
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan4445 View Post
    4:50pm: Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star reports that the Jays will pay all of Rolen's 2009 salary, nearly $4MM.
    Just enough to pay for Walt's last bowel movement, our current center fielder. Now that I think about it, I'm much more sanguine about this trade if it ends up being Rolen in, Encarnacion, Stewart and Roenicke to Toronto, and Taveras pushed out of the team plane into the nearest body of water.

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    and he's batting .320.
    which is a fluke
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    Nah, he'll only bat cleanup if he's playing second base. If he's in center field, he'll be batting leadoff.
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan4445 View Post
    4:50pm: Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star reports that the Jays will pay all of Rolen's 2009 salary, nearly $4MM.
    And this new batch of cash better be applied toward a worthwhile ballplayer this offseason, not Willy Taveras v2.0.

    My problem with the Reds acquiring cash in deals is they often blow it on trash six months later.
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    which is a fluke
    Maybe. But it's August (tomorrow) and he's still batting .320.


    This move doesn't put them over the top (obviously), but it doesn't break the farm either. It shores up (health a factor of course) for at least a year, while the young guys continue to develop.

    I guess the Reds got tired of Edwin's consistant foul ups and inconsistant offense just like most of us have.

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan4445 View Post
    4:50pm: Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star reports that the Jays will pay all of Rolen's 2009 salary, nearly $4MM.
    They need to also pay part of his 2010 salary

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Here are the numbers on the newest Red:

    Code:
    Year                      Age            Tm            Lg    G   PA   AB    R    H  2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB   SO   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS OPS+   TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos    Awards
    1996                       21           PHI            NL   37  146  130   10   33   7  0   4   18   0  2  13   27 .254 .322 .400  .722   90   52   4   1  0  2   0   5          
    1997                       22           PHI            NL  156  657  561   93  159  35  3  21   92  16  6  76  138 .283 .377 .469  .846  121  263   6  13  0  7   4  *5     RoY-1
    1998                       23           PHI            NL  160  711  601  120  174  45  4  31  110  14  7  93  141 .290 .391 .532  .923  139  320  10  11  0  6   6  *5  MVP-20GG
    1999                       24           PHI            NL  112  497  421   74  113  28  1  26   77  12  2  67  114 .268 .368 .525  .893  119  221   8   3  0  6   2  *5          
    2000                       25           PHI            NL  128  541  483   88  144  32  6  26   89   8  1  51   99 .298 .370 .551  .920  129  266   4   5  0  2   9  *5        GG
    2001                       26           PHI            NL  151  653  554   96  160  39  1  25  107  16  5  74  127 .289 .378 .498  .876  127  276   6  13  0 12   6  *5  MVP-24GG
    2002                       27           TOT            NL  155  667  580   89  154  29  8  31  110   8  4  72  102 .266 .357 .503  .860  129  292  22  12  0  3   4  *5    ASGGSS
    2002                       27           PHI            NL  100  438  375   52   97  21  4  17   66   5  2  52   68 .259 .358 .472  .830  123  177  12   8  0  3   2   5          
    2002                       27           STL            NL   55  229  205   37   57   8  4  14   44   3  2  20   34 .278 .354 .561  .915  139  115  10   4  0  0   2   5          
    2003                       28           STL            NL  154  657  559   98  160  49  1  28  104  13  3  82  104 .286 .382 .528  .910  138  295  19   9  0  7   5  *5      ASGG
    2004                       29           STL            NL  142  593  500  109  157  32  4  34  124   4  3  72   92 .314 .409 .598 1.007  157  299   8  13  1  7   5  *5 ASMVP-4GG
    2005                       30           STL            NL   56  223  196   28   46  12  1   5   28   1  2  25   28 .235 .323 .383  .706   84   75   3   1  0  1   1   5        AS
    2006                       31           STL            NL  142  594  521   94  154  48  1  22   95   7  4  56   69 .296 .369 .518  .887  126  270  10   9  0  8   7  *5      ASGG
    2007                       32           STL            NL  112  441  392   55  104  24  2   8   58   5  3  37   56 .265 .331 .398  .729   89  156  13   5  0  7   2  *5          
    2008                       33           TOR            AL  115  467  408   58  107  30  3  11   50   5  0  46   71 .262 .349 .431  .780  107  176  12  10  0  3   2  *5          
    2009                       34           TOR            AL   88  373  338   52  108  29  0   8   43   4  2  26   42 .320 .370 .476  .846  123  161   2   4  0  5   1  *5          
    14 Seasons         14 Seasons    14 Seasons    14 Seasons 1708 7220 6244 1064 1773 439 35 280 1105 113 44 790 1210 .284 .370 .500  .870  125 3122 127 109  1 76  54              
    162 Game Avg.   162 Game Avg. 162 Game Avg. 162 Game Avg.  162  685  592  101  168  42  3  27  105  11  4  75  115 .284 .370 .500  .870  125  296  12  10  0  7   5              
                                                                                                                                                                                     
    PHI (7 yrs)       PHI (7 yrs)   PHI (7 yrs)   PHI (7 yrs)  844 3643 3125  533  880 207 19 150  559  71 25 426  714 .282 .373 .504  .877  125 1575  50  54  0 38  29              
    STL (6 yrs)       STL (6 yrs)   STL (6 yrs)   STL (6 yrs)  661 2737 2373  421  678 173 13 111  453  33 17 292  383 .286 .370 .510  .879  127 1210  63  41  1 30  22              
    TOR (2 yrs)       TOR (2 yrs)   TOR (2 yrs)   TOR (2 yrs)  203  840  746  110  215  59  3  19   93   9  2  72  113 .288 .358 .452  .810  114  337  14  14  0  8   3              
                                                                                                                                                                                     
    NL (12 yrs)       NL (12 yrs)   NL (12 yrs)   NL (12 yrs) 1505 6380 5498  954 1558 380 32 261 1012 104 42 718 1097 .283 .372 .507  .878  126 2785 113  95  1 68  51              
    AL (2 yrs)         AL (2 yrs)    AL (2 yrs)    AL (2 yrs)  203  840  746  110  215  59  3  19   93   9  2  72  113 .288 .358 .452  .810  114  337  14  14  0  8   3
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I don't know. I'd pretty much chew off a limb to get rid of Encarnacion. I like Roenicke, but if Stewart doesn't pan out then it's Roenicke for Rolen and that strikes me as a winner for the Reds.
    This is how I see it too - I'm amazed at how many people hate this trade.
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