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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    In my 44 years of being a Reds fan, I have not, until now, ever had the thought that the Reds were "unwatchable".

    It really doesn't matter how it actually turns out, this is an incredibly ill-conceived trade.

    In a year where prospects are golden and overvalued, we seemingly overpay for 1 year of a player who's a huge injury risk (albeit a good player).

    I beleive this trade consitutes a spanking offense.

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Zach Stewart for Scott Rolen in a bad deal. Zach Stewart + Josh Roenicke + Edwin Encarnacion is pathetic. Simply unreal. Walt Jocketty should be fired immediately.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    I'll reiterate a thought I had in another Rolen thread earlier. This might also be a move to keep people coming out to the park this year. Scott Rolen is a name the average fan knows so maybe he'll sell a couple three tickets.
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    From Cot's Baseball Contracts:

    http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/200...e-jays_05.html

    Scott Rolen 3b
    8 years/$90M (2003-10)

    signed extension with St. Louis 9/02
    $5M signing bonus

    03:$7M, 04:$8M, 05:$11M, 06:$11M, 07:$11M, 08:$11M, 09:$11M, 10:$11M

    additional $4M bonus due Rolen in 2010

    $10M deferred ($2M/year from 2003 to 2007)

    full no-trade clause (waived to allow trade from St. Louis 1/14/08)

    performance bonuses: $50,000 each for Gold Glove & All Star selection

    acquired by Toronto in trade from St. Louis 1/14/08, with Toronto paying St. Louis $1.8M and the Cardinals responsible for $4M bonus due in 2010

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    I've only been watching this stuff on TV and just found out now that at 4:00 it was rumored that Alonso was in the deal. I can't believe the board didn't explode/meltdown with even the thought of it.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Scott Rolen's numbers show one thing. He simply does not strike out nearly enough to be a Red.
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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Zach Stewart for Scott Rolen in a bad deal. Zach Stewart + Josh Roenicke + Edwin Encarnacion is pathetic. Simply unreal. Walt Jocketty should be fired immediately.
    Thank God you are nowhere near the levers of power in the Reds front office, and I say that as someone who is wavering between intense dislike of this deal and apathy.

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

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    And this new batch of cash better be applied toward a worthwhile ballplayer this offseason, not Willy Taveras v2.0.

    My problem with the Reds acquiring cash in deals is they often blow it on trash six months later.
    Good luck with that. $55M is tied up in Arroyo, Harang, Cordero, Rolen and Phillips. Thats 20 other spots that need to be filled with about 15-20 million. We aren't getting anyone this offseason unless its in a trade and even then where will the money come from to pay him?

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Zach Stewart for Scott Rolen in a bad deal. Zach Stewart + Josh Roenicke + Edwin Encarnacion is pathetic. Simply unreal. Walt Jocketty should be fired immediately.
    Yeah. Firing GM after GM after GM has really worked over the years....how about we actually let one stick around and implement his plan? That'd be different.

    In a few years, maybe I'll be ready to fire the guy....but not 1+ year into the gig knowing his track record in St. Louis.

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    So Rolen's contract for 2009 is covered by Toronto. That's all great and everything. But he's owed $11 million for 2010 plus this $4 million bonus that may or may not still be the responsibility of St. Louis (since it wasn't passed to Toronto when Rolen was traded there in 2008).

    My point: I think this may be your "big free-agent acquisition". The Reds saved $5.125 mil for 2010 getting rid of EE plus the pro-rated portion of EE and JHJ's 2009 deals ($2.425 mil and $2 mil, respectively- according to Cot's).

    A great summary of what's owed in future years: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...XT2r8ZtxW0_Kaw

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Zach Stewart for Scott Rolen in a bad deal. Zach Stewart + Josh Roenicke + Edwin Encarnacion is pathetic. Simply unreal. Walt Jocketty should be fired immediately.
    But hasn't this been said before about Walt? That he uses his prospects as trade fodder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    Yeah. Firing GM after GM after GM has really worked over the years....how about we actually let one stick around and implement his plan That'd be different.

    In a few years, maybe I'll be ready to fire the guy....but not 1+ year into the gig knowing his track record in St. Louis.
    Walt Jocketty has a plan? If so, it stinks.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking View Post
    Scott Rolen's numbers show one thing. He simply does not strike out nearly enough to be a Red.
    We have the coaches to fix that!

    "Bring on Rod Stupid!"

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Walt Jocketty has a plan? If so, it stinks.
    Hopefully he does.

    We'll find out! 1+ year into the gig isn't a very big window.

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    Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Zach Stewart for Scott Rolen in a bad deal. Zach Stewart + Josh Roenicke + Edwin Encarnacion is pathetic. Simply unreal. Walt Jocketty should be fired immediately.
    I agree. I'm surprised more don't agree.

    Walt's man crush for Rolen made him cave into a stupid deal. If you're going to dump prospects, dump Stubbs or Valaika. Not Stewart.

    Just taking the $11MM off Toronto's hands should have been enough incentive. Plus, Rolen wanted traded so the Reds had leverage. Then, to cave in at the last minute? Pathetic.

    If this trade was EE and just Roenicke for Rolen I would call it a bad deal. Roenicke was throwing 96/97 last night. It's not his fault that he was never really given much of a chance. Now, he will.


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