In my 44 years of being a Reds fan, I have not, until now, ever had the thought that the Reds were "unwatchable".
It really doesn't matter how it actually turns out, this is an incredibly ill-conceived trade.
In a year where prospects are golden and overvalued, we seemingly overpay for 1 year of a player who's a huge injury risk (albeit a good player).
I beleive this trade consitutes a spanking offense.
Zach Stewart for Scott Rolen in a bad deal. Zach Stewart + Josh Roenicke + Edwin Encarnacion is pathetic. Simply unreal. Walt Jocketty should be fired immediately.
I'll reiterate a thought I had in another Rolen thread earlier. This might also be a move to keep people coming out to the park this year. Scott Rolen is a name the average fan knows so maybe he'll sell a couple three tickets.
From Cot's Baseball Contracts:
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/200...e-jays_05.html
Scott Rolen 3b
8 years/$90M (2003-10)
signed extension with St. Louis 9/02
$5M signing bonus
03:$7M, 04:$8M, 05:$11M, 06:$11M, 07:$11M, 08:$11M, 09:$11M, 10:$11M
additional $4M bonus due Rolen in 2010
$10M deferred ($2M/year from 2003 to 2007)
full no-trade clause (waived to allow trade from St. Louis 1/14/08)
performance bonuses: $50,000 each for Gold Glove & All Star selection
acquired by Toronto in trade from St. Louis 1/14/08, with Toronto paying St. Louis $1.8M and the Cardinals responsible for $4M bonus due in 2010
I've only been watching this stuff on TV and just found out now that at 4:00 it was rumored that Alonso was in the deal. I can't believe the board didn't explode/meltdown with even the thought of it.
“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
Scott Rolen's numbers show one thing. He simply does not strike out nearly enough to be a Red.
Where we gonna go?
Thank God you are nowhere near the levers of power in the Reds front office, and I say that as someone who is wavering between intense dislike of this deal and apathy.Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine
Good luck with that. $55M is tied up in Arroyo, Harang, Cordero, Rolen and Phillips. Thats 20 other spots that need to be filled with about 15-20 million. We aren't getting anyone this offseason unless its in a trade and even then where will the money come from to pay him?
Yeah. Firing GM after GM after GM has really worked over the years....how about we actually let one stick around and implement his plan? That'd be different.
In a few years, maybe I'll be ready to fire the guy....but not 1+ year into the gig knowing his track record in St. Louis.
So Rolen's contract for 2009 is covered by Toronto. That's all great and everything. But he's owed $11 million for 2010 plus this $4 million bonus that may or may not still be the responsibility of St. Louis (since it wasn't passed to Toronto when Rolen was traded there in 2008).
My point: I think this may be your "big free-agent acquisition". The Reds saved $5.125 mil for 2010 getting rid of EE plus the pro-rated portion of EE and JHJ's 2009 deals ($2.425 mil and $2 mil, respectively- according to Cot's).
A great summary of what's owed in future years: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...XT2r8ZtxW0_Kaw
But hasn't this been said before about Walt? That he uses his prospects as trade fodder.
"In my day you had musicians who experimented with drugs. Now it's druggies experimenting with music" - Alfred G Clark (circa 1972)
Walt Jocketty has a plan? If so, it stinks.
We have the coaches to fix that!
Hopefully he does.
We'll find out! 1+ year into the gig isn't a very big window.
I agree. I'm surprised more don't agree.
Walt's man crush for Rolen made him cave into a stupid deal. If you're going to dump prospects, dump Stubbs or Valaika. Not Stewart.
Just taking the $11MM off Toronto's hands should have been enough incentive. Plus, Rolen wanted traded so the Reds had leverage. Then, to cave in at the last minute? Pathetic.
If this trade was EE and just Roenicke for Rolen I would call it a bad deal. Roenicke was throwing 96/97 last night. It's not his fault that he was never really given much of a chance. Now, he will.
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