It's not just that we overpaid, which we did, it's that you could have accomplished the same thing with Beltre for nothing but money. Especially given that Jocketty talked about extending Rolen.
Discount Kazmir? Hell yes! The Mets way overpaid to get Victor freaking Zambrano. Everyone in baseball knew the Mets were overpaying. BP was DFA'd. Did the Reds overpay to get him? No. One minor league reliever, Jeff Stevens.
Aside from the fact that offensively, EE and Rolen have been comparable over the prior two seasons, Stewart AND Roenicke? Roenicke who had already reached the major league level, and had success? Stewart on the cusp?
Raisel Ghul, the Demon's Head
I think the Glaus thing is kind of a red herring. That guy, when healthy, had the type of bat that makes people a little weak in the knees, and the circumstances of that trade were unusual.
"Reality tells us there are no guarantees. Except that some day Jon Lester will be on that list of 100-game winners." - Peter Gammons
As far as Stewart -- let's keep things in perspective. He had a good year. Lots of prospects have had good years and still never amounted to anything. It's a good sign, but it's by no means a guarantee of anything in the future.
24 Years and Counting...
Keith Law always looks like he's about cry.
He's also never ahead of the curve on any prospect. All he ever does is tell you who's doing well.
Raisel Ghul, the Demon's Head
Make that a thing.
Last edited by Kingspoint; 08-04-2009 at 07:16 PM.
What's so frustrating, is that any Tom, Dick, or Harry can see what you're saying here, so it goes to say that the reasons for doing what the REDS did defies logic, and there must be some other reason(s) for doing so, reason(s) that have nothing to do with giving the franchise an opportunity to win a World Series.
There's no argument that makes sense that disputes the fact that the franchise took about 5 steps (or 3 years) backwards when making this deal, for all of the reasons that you stated above. We should have been competing for a playoff spot in 2010, and a World Series appearance in 2011, and now we won't see this franchise win a playoff series for at least 5 seasons, and there's no reason to believe they will win one anytime after that as there is this ship is clearly adrift at this point. Who here can tell us now what the master plan is? I could before the trade, but not now.
Last edited by Kingspoint; 08-04-2009 at 07:24 PM.
Since it was brought up...the Cordero signing was questionable. An expensive closer is the last piece of the pie one gets to win a Championship. The REDS could say that he was acquired to secure the bullpen that had been so shaky for so long. Isn't that what the bullpen coach is supposed to do? Why pay that much for someone who plays so little?
Is Rolen supposed to do the same thing? Will everyone all of a sudden hit better because Rolen is on the team? Not a chance. That's not how hitting works. Pitching may be effected that way, but hitting never does, not over the course of a season, anyway.
If this was a business that operates the way the rest of the world does and the CEO traded away a young executive (EE) with several years of experience, who excelled at 3/4th's of his job (the Offense probably measures 3 times what the Defense does), and who will only get better, another executive who has been outstanding since his arrival and has Greenwich, CT pedigree (Josh Roenicke, son of Gary Roenicke), and another, about to become an executive trainee, newly graduated from Harvard Law School (Zach Stewart), for an aged executive who had trouble closing deals three years in a row except for a resurgance this season, but who is clearly declining in his skills and missing work all the time, and is extremely overpaid, that CEO would be berated by not only his board of executives, but by everyone in the entire organization. Everyone would be wondering what the direction of the company was, and they would wonder who's sleeping with whom.
John Manuel of Baseball America rated Zach Stewart as the second best prospect traded at the deadline. Number one was Brett Wallace.
I miss Adam Dunn.