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    Possible Silver Lining????

    If the Reds continue on this horrible pace, is there a chance that Dusty Bottoms gets the big pink slip at the end of the season?

    To me, that could be the only silver lining to this mess of a season.

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    I am not blaming this entire season on Dusty, I just never liked him, and would like to see a change made.
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    Re: Possible Silver Lining????

    Quote Originally Posted by tommycash View Post
    If the Reds continue on this horrible pace, is there a chance that Dusty Bottoms gets the big pink slip at the end of the season?

    To me, that could be the only silver lining to this mess of a season.

    P.S.
    I am not blaming this entire season on Dusty, I just never liked him, and would like to see a change made.
    I think it's more realistic that Dusty resigns. I don't think we'll see him fired, not just yet, but I could see him jumping ship at the end of the year. Just watching him in the dugout now you can see his frustration level.

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    Re: Possible Silver Lining????

    Possible silver lining?

    Strassburg.
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    Re: Possible Silver Lining????

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan30 View Post
    Possible silver lining?

    Strassburg.
    Reports are saying Strasburg wants 50 Million.

    If that is the case.....I pass.
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    Re: Possible Silver Lining????

    We said the same thing about Bob Boone's tenure ending as well. How much better did things get when he was gone?

    I think this organizations problems are much bigger than any individual manager, and I'm not sure that another change after this year would do any good. I'm not sure another change is a true "silver lining" - it may be more of another cloud.

    Quote Originally Posted by tommycash View Post
    If the Reds continue on this horrible pace, is there a chance that Dusty Bottoms gets the big pink slip at the end of the season?

    To me, that could be the only silver lining to this mess of a season.

    P.S.
    I am not blaming this entire season on Dusty, I just never liked him, and would like to see a change made.

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    Re: Possible Silver Lining????

    Quote Originally Posted by UKFlounder View Post
    We said the same thing about Bob Boone's tenure ending as well. How much better did things get when he was gone?

    I think this organizations problems are much bigger than any individual manager, and I'm not sure that another change after this year would do any good. I'm not sure another change is a true "silver lining" - it may be more of another cloud.
    I've heard this line of thinking before. Both with Walt and Dusty. The other side of the coin is, how long do you put up with a bad fit (and I believe that both Walt & Dusty are bad fits with a rebuilding club) if it's not working just so you aren't making too many changes?

    If something isn't working, and doesn't look like it's going to be working don't you have to make a move?
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    Re: Possible Silver Lining????

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    I've heard this line of thinking before. Both with Walt and Dusty. The other side of the coin is, how long do you put up with a bad fit (and I believe that both Walt & Dusty are bad fits with a rebuilding club) if it's not working just so you aren't making too many changes?

    If something isn't working, and doesn't look like it's going to be working don't you have to make a move?
    I think Jocketty is a fine fit for a rebuilding process. He did a great job rebuilding the Cardinals, who had gone 53-61 the year before he got there, and 62-81 in his first year. They went to the Playoffs his second year, but then fell on hard times the next three years, going 231-254, before bouncing back with winning seasons 8 of the next 9 years (9 of 10 counting this year).

    The fact that the Cards were successful under him for so long, should not count against his "rebuilding" skills.

    No argument on Dusty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    I think Jocketty is a fine fit for a rebuilding process. He did a great job rebuilding the Cardinals, who had gone 53-61 the year before he got there, and 62-81 in his first year. They went to the Playoffs his second year, but then fell on hard times the next three years, going 231-254, before bouncing back with winning seasons 8 of the next 9 years (9 of 10 counting this year).

    The fact that the Cards were successful under him for so long, should not count against his "rebuilding" skills.

    No argument on Dusty.
    What happened last week was the opposite of rebuilding. He's trying to save his job by winning next year, but he isn't even close to a winning team.

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    Re: Possible Silver Lining????

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    I think Jocketty is a fine fit for a rebuilding process. He did a great job rebuilding the Cardinals, who had gone 53-61 the year before he got there, and 62-81 in his first year. They went to the Playoffs his second year, but then fell on hard times the next three years, going 231-254, before bouncing back with winning seasons 8 of the next 9 years (9 of 10 counting this year).

    The fact that the Cards were successful under him for so long, should not count against his "rebuilding" skills.

    No argument on Dusty.
    What you say about Jocketty is correct. But he also had a much better, and more stable, ownership situation in St. Louis.

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    Re: Possible Silver Lining????

    There is no way on this Earth we ever sign Strasburg to what he's asking for. And that's not a criticism of this ownership. I would never offer a kid who is a HUGE unknown that much money.

    If you're up in arms about Volquez and his arm blowing up, Strasburg getting inked to a huge deal then blowing his arm out in the first year would REALLY cripple our franchise.

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    Re: Possible Silver Lining????

    Quote Originally Posted by cincrazy View Post
    There is no way on this Earth we ever sign Strasburg to what he's asking for. And that's not a criticism of this ownership. I would never offer a kid who is a HUGE unknown that much money.

    If you're up in arms about Volquez and his arm blowing up, Strasburg getting inked to a huge deal then blowing his arm out in the first year would REALLY cripple our franchise.

    Not to derail this thread but that kid can't spend the money he's looking for until he actually signs a contract. Unless he's indepentently wealthy or he's got a sugar mama he's going to be needing some money of his own real soon. even if he doesn't sign with the Nats this year, someone like the Bucs or Royals or Padres are going to draft him. None of those teams are swimming in money. Even if Boros gets him to be a free agent, even a deep pockets team is going to be wary about throwing $20-50M on an unproven kid. Strasburg would do well to study up on Matt Harrington.
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    Re: Possible Silver Lining????

    It's true, there have been a lot of downers this year. I still think, though, that the Reds have some bright spots worth noting:

    1) A gaggle of good, young players. Despite his struggles earlier in the year, Votto continues to look like a reliable MOTO bat. Phillips continues to give the team great D and good offensive production at 2B. Bruce also plays great D has shown decent patience and make-up despite his combination of bad luck/ freak injury /offensive futility. IMO, these three should continue to be solid regulars for several years. And, with Frazier, Stubbs, Alonso and Heisey on the horizon, I think the team can count on getting a few more of those in the near future. We might even add Hanigan to the list soon, too (even though he's not really so "young" in chronological years).

    2) A rapidly improving defense. IIRC, this was the feel-good story of the season until everything had to go all Chinua Achebe on us (anyone ever read Things Fall Apart? For some reason that title keep springing to mind when I think about this season). The recent addition of Rolen, the arrival of Stubbs and/or Heisey, and the acquisition (hopefully) of a competent SS in the off-season should further strengthen this part of the Reds in short order. I can honestly say that I think WJ "gets it" more than any other recent GM when it comes to the importance of catching the ball as well as hitting and pitching it.

    3) The likliehood of continued competent pitching. I know the Volquez injury has us all down. I'm not saying we shouldn't be. Heck, I really had dreams that this could be an elite pitching staff this year. But let's not forget that this rotation still runs way deeper than any of the staffs in recent memory. Heck, despite their recent struggles, the healthy trio of Cueto, Arroyo and Harang by themselves upstages most other Reds rotations since the 1980s (possible exceptions include the second half of 1999 and perhaps the scant years where Rijo-Browning-Jackson were all healthy and pitching well). What's more, the 'pen looks solid enough, too--even after the departures of Roenicke and Stewart, the team has a stopper (Cordero), a stopper-in-waiting (Masset), and a bunch of useful parts (Weathers, Rhodes, Herrera, Burton). That's a vast improvement over years past as well. And given the Cards bullpens during his tenure, I think WJ knows how to build continuity in this area.

    Okay, that's my best shot at optimism. 2009 may be very well be in the tank--but all, my friends, is far from lost.
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    Re: Possible Silver Lining????

    Bryce Harper!!
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    Re: Possible Silver Lining????

    I can't wait until Pujols is 35 with a bad back and declining power so we can see him in a Reds uniform, also. We have a thing for Cards past their prime... Jocketty, Rolen... can't wait to keep it going

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    Re: Possible Silver Lining????

    The Reds are paying Dusty 3.5 million dollars a season to manage this train wreck. I can't see a cost conscious team eating that kind of cake. If the Reds struggle next season we may see Dusty replaced but not until than.

    Silver lining for me this season is the performance of Daniel Ray Herrara. Kid has been great all year.
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