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    Post Rolen trade reactions

    Interesting stuff from MLBTR:

    ESPN.com's Buster Olney shows that the economic downturn has widened the gap between rich teams and poor ones after a decade of relative parity. As he shows, seven of the eight teams with the biggest payrolls would make the playoffs if they began today. The Mets have the game's second-biggest payroll, but wouldn't make it. Here are a few others notes from Olney's blog:

    • We could start hearing about waiver claims today, since teams have stared putting players on waivers.
    • The Reds' acquisition of Scott Rolen is "without question the most widely panned pre-deadline trade within the industry."
    • The Reds gave up Josh Roenicke and Zach Stewart, a pair of highly-regarded young arms.
    • One talent evaluator believes the Jays will release Edwin Encarnacion after the season. Even if the third baseman's $4.75MM salary is too much for the Jays, they'd presumably try to trade him first.

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    One talent evaluator believes the Jays will release Edwin Encarnacion after the season. Even if the third baseman's $4.75MM salary is too much for the Jays, they'd presumably try to trade him first.
    Scary when you consider that many thought Edwin would be THE RH bat in the Reds lineup this season.

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    EdE won't be released, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    EdE won't be released, IMO.
    I can't see it either. They'll trade him this winter.

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    Sounds like Edwin was essentially a throw-in to the deal if they really plan on releasing him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    Sounds like Edwin was essentially a throw-in to the deal if they really plan on releasing him.
    He was included because the Reds wanted too... the Jays didn't want him. He offsets the salary to Rolen, his inclusion meant nothing else since the Reds had nowhere to play him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Kearns View Post
    He was included because the Reds wanted too... the Jays didn't want him. He offsets the salary to Rolen, his inclusion meant nothing else since the Reds had nowhere to play him.
    I've said alll along the trade was Stewart for Rolen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HokieRed View Post
    I've said alll along the trade was Stewart for Rolen.
    Which is still not a very good trade, especially once you factor in the Prospect Bubble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Which is still not a very good trade, especially once you factor in the Prospect Bubble.
    Maybe not, but I think it's important to see that we got two things we wanted: to get Rolen and be rid of EE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    Sounds like Edwin was essentially a throw-in to the deal if they really plan on releasing him.
    My guess is that the Jays wanted nothing to do with EdE. They had to accept him in order to make the finances work. If we were willing to keep EdE, we could've probably sent lesser prospects.

    I'm still cautiously optimistic about Walt, but I wonder why his critics don't bring up extending EdE on his list of "goofs" this offseason. EdE got more money than Tavares did. I guess it's because EdE was more or less a homegrown player (acquired as a prospect), so he gets more love?
    Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2010-2014!

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    I wonder why his critics don't bring up extending EdE on his list of "goofs" this offseason. EdE got more money than Tavares did. I guess it's because EdE was more or less a homegrown player (acquired as a prospect), so he gets more love?
    I was critical. I wanted EdE traded when he was still a young, cheap player with 26 HR's. The extension plus the changing market moved him into the albatross column.


    What I want to know is what did Walt know and when did he know it about Volquez. The seriousness of the injury makes the trade less appealling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    I was critical. I wanted EdE traded when he was still a young, cheap player with 26 HR's. The extension plus the changing market moved him into the albatross column.


    What I want to know is what did Walt know and when did he know it about Volquez. The seriousness of the injury makes the trade less appealling.
    To me it says that Walt didn't see Stewart as a starter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    To me it says that Walt didn't see Stewart as a starter.
    So. I was ok (and only ok) with the trade to take advantage of a 2010. The window fell nearly shut with the Volquez news.

    Now, if he's got a plan to add a pitcher and a SS, fine. Otherwise, the trade doesn't make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    I was critical. I wanted EdE traded when he was still a young, cheap player with 26 HR's. The extension plus the changing market moved him into the albatross column.


    What I want to know is what did Walt know and when did he know it about Volquez. The seriousness of the injury makes the trade less appealling.

    Ok, you were one of the few to call the EdE extension. I'm just saying it is not villified nearly as much as Willy's contract was, for whatever reason.

    As far as Volquez's injury goes, I guess if Walt and Bob want to improve the W-L record, they should go ahead and add ML talent when they get the opportunity too, regardless of everyone's projected health. That seems to be the plan, improve the W-L for next year.
    Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2010-2014!

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Ok, you were one of the few to call the EdE extension. I'm just saying it is not villified nearly as much as Willy's contract was, for whatever reason.
    Maybe because there was a reasonable expectation that Edwin would produce while there was only the slimmest of chances that Willy would provide anything of value to the team?
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