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    I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    All three are likely to clear waivers. Any claiming team most likely would be a club like the Yankees -- unafraid of winning the claim and the ensuing salary commitment. Walt has proven he's willing to deal in August. A lot of the pre-deadline chatter (and dreaming) is over, and teams with serious postseason aspirations may still need to address some needs. And the Reds need to clear a little money off the books next season to fill some additional needs.

    Personally, I think they acquired Rolen as a building block (and example) to go with Votto, Cueto, probably Phillips and, hopefully, Bruce. I think they see a core in place around those players, and they plan to try to fill holes around them. But they need a little payroll flexibility to do that. Which is where the August trade comes into play.

    They need a SS, two outfielders, at least one starting pitcher and some bullpen depth. In a perfect world, they would get help from the minors for one of those positional needs (not sure who it is yet -- maybe Stubbs/Heisey - CF, or Frazier - LF), requiring outside acquisitions for "just" the SS and arms.

    But I do think they will need to free up some money to make it all happen.

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    Re: I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    Quote Originally Posted by osuceltic View Post
    They need a SS, two outfielders, at least one starting pitcher and some bullpen depth. In a perfect world, they would get help from the minors for one of those positional needs (not sure who it is yet -- maybe Stubbs/Heisey - CF, or Frazier - LF), requiring outside acquisitions for "just" the SS and arms.
    I'm inclined to agree with your prediction. One question: Don't you think one of Heisey/Stubbs/Gomes/Dickerson or some combo of them will fill at least one of those OF spots?
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    Re: I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    I'm inclined to agree with your prediction. One question: Don't you think one of Heisey/Stubbs/Gomes/Dickerson or some combo of them will fill at least one of those OF spots?
    As I said -- hopefully. But I'm not sold on any of them just yet. Gomes and Dickerson are bench guys. Heisey/Stubbs/Frazier -- we just don't know. They aren't knocking the door down yet. I'd like to see all three called up in September, but I'll be shocked if that happens.

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    Re: I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    Forgot to mention -- they said during the radio broadcast last night that scouts were there watching Harang. They specifically mentioned the Yankees.

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    Re: I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    You might be right, oc. They've got almost no one to throw hundreds of innings next season. A starting prospect or fringe starter (often the same thing) will have to come back to the Reds in any deal. And even then, a 3/4 type will have to be acquired via FA this offseason.

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    Re: I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    You might be right, oc. They've got almost no one to throw hundreds of innings next season. A starting prospect or fringe starter (often the same thing) will have to come back to the Reds in any deal. And even then, a 3/4 type will have to be acquired via FA this offseason.
    I have a feeling Harang will still be hanging around in 2010, along with Cueto and Owings. I expect Arroyo will be shown the door as long as Walt can get something (anything) of value in return for him.
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    Re: I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    but.... we're so close


    here's my question. if someone makes a claim, do the Reds just say, "OK, he's yours. Enjoy"? I say that our GM, Bob Castellini, revokes waivers on Harang and Cordero but I'm not sure about Arroyo. I think that he SHOULD not revoke Arroyo but think that he might because, you know, we're close.
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    Re: I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    here's my question. if someone makes a claim, do the Reds just say, "OK, he's yours. Enjoy"? I say that our GM, Bob Castellini, revokes waivers on Harang and Cordero but I'm not sure about Arroyo. I think that he SHOULD not revoke Arroyo but think that he might because, you know, we're close.
    They could but then they don't get anything back in return except salary relief. Even the Bucs aren't doing straight salary dumps. I would think that the Yankees would think twice about picking up either Arroyo or Harang since they play half their games in a park that makes GABP look like Petco.
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    Re: I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    They could but then they don't get anything back in return except salary relief. Even the Bucs aren't doing straight salary dumps. I would think that the Yankees would think twice about picking up either Arroyo or Harang since they play half their games in a park that makes GABP look like Petco.
    Yeah, I guess the Yanks have now painted themselves into the type of corner where they've got to get a whole staff full of Brandon Webbs.
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    Re: I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    They could but then they don't get anything back in return except salary relief. Even the Bucs aren't doing straight salary dumps. I would think that the Yankees would think twice about picking up either Arroyo or Harang since they play half their games in a park that makes GABP look like Petco.
    Obviously just allowing the waivers claim is one option (seems to me the Yankees got stuck with a big ticket salary some years ago just that way). Usually the two clubs then work out a deal for the players. Or we can just pull him back, but I don't think that's likely. If any of these players can be moved, I think they'll move at least one, as your supposition states.
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    Re: I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    Quote Originally Posted by osuceltic View Post
    As I said -- hopefully. But I'm not sold on any of them just yet. Gomes and Dickerson are bench guys. Heisey/Stubbs/Frazier -- we just don't know. They aren't knocking the door down yet. I'd like to see all three called up in September, but I'll be shocked if that happens.
    I agree with this. I guess my point is that I can't believe the Reds would go out and acquire TWO starting OF types before 2010. I expect next year's OF will be Bruce/internal option/new acquisition.
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    Re: I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    No Volquez

    Owings hurt

    Stewart given away

    If you trade Arroyo, Harang, or Cordero (or two of three) you are not playing for 2010.

    Wasn't 2010 why they overpaid for Scott Rolen?

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    Re: I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post

    Wasn't 2010 why they overpaid for Scott Rolen?
    Not necessarily. My guess is that they wanted to bring in talent.

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    Re: I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Not necessarily. My guess is that they wanted to bring in talent.
    Even so, that's talent they control for a single season, and that single season (2010) is shaping up to be a disastrous one. If they're counting on Rolen for more than one season, as I fear they've already indicated, then the plan is even more delusional than I suspected.

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    Re: I expect one or more of Harang, Arroyo or Cordero to be traded this month

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post
    No Volquez

    Owings hurt

    Stewart given away

    If you trade Arroyo, Harang, or Cordero (or two of three) you are not playing for 2010.

    Wasn't 2010 why they overpaid for Scott Rolen?
    Stop using all that fancy logic!


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