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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    On the flipside, Phillips may not get that 2012 picked up if he's a 2B (probably not). If he's hitting the way he hits as SS, then he might even get a contract extension.
    $11M for 2011, IIRC. He may not even make it to 2012. But, interesting incentive for the Reds to use although it would be a bad idea to promise him or any player anything.
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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    You realize Hanley Ramirez is pretty bad @ SS, right?
    My bad. I meant Derek Jeter.
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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    My bad. I meant Derek Jeter.
    I would hope Phillips could be better than Jeter @ SS.

    I mean we are talking about one of the worst defensive SS in all of MLB nowadays...

    I would think Phillips could be on par with the current version of Alex Gonzalez.

    At worst, I'd think Phillips would be an average SS, no?

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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    $11M for 2011, IIRC. He may not even make it to 2012. But, interesting incentive for the Reds to use although it would be a bad idea to promise him or any player anything.
    2011 is guaranteed money. Two productive years at SS and he'll be getting paid after that one way or another.
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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    2011 is guaranteed money. Two productive years at SS and he'll be getting paid after that one way or another.
    I know. But what I'm saying is that he may be traded before then. PayFlex, you know. Have to pick up the next Corey Taveras.
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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

    Is it just me, or are there two separate threads on this same topic right now? Mods... any chance we could merge them for ease of use? Thanks.
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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    I would think Phillips could be on par with the current version of Alex Gonzalez.

    At worst, I'd think Phillips would be an average SS, no?
    Oh, absolutely. But he may not be GG caliber at SS while he is at 2nd. I'd take Gonzoesque defense at SS but he knows how many times Larkin got screwed out of a GG at SS. I'm not saying he wouldn't switch but you could see his motivation for staying put.
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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

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    Oh, absolutely. But he may not be GG caliber at SS while he is at 2nd. I'd take Gonzoesque defense at SS but he knows how many times Larkin got screwed out of a GG at SS. I'm not saying he wouldn't switch but you could see his motivation for staying put.
    Definitely.

    In Brandon's world, you can't spell team without "me".

    And while his GG caliber D @ 2B is awesome (don't get me wrong), he'll do everything he can to make himself the most money while attempting to be the best 2B (which he'll never do while guys like Utley, Hudson, Zobrist, Pedroia, Kinsler, or Roberts continue to play 2B).

    So, kinda hard to be the best 2B in MLB when you're only arguably the 2nd best 2B in your league (Utley clearly the best, I prefer Hudson over Phillips)....

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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Definitely.

    In Brandon's world, you can't spell team without "me".

    And while his GG caliber D @ 2B is awesome (don't get me wrong), he'll do everything he can to make himself the most money while attempting to be the best 2B (which he'll never do while guys like Utley, Hudson, Zobrist, Pedroia, Kinsler, or Roberts continue to play 2B).

    So, kinda hard to be the best 2B in MLB when you're only arguably the 2nd best 2B in your league (Utley clearly the best, I prefer Hudson over Phillips)....
    Thing is he's won the GG at 2nd. If you've won it once, it's much easier the second and third and fourth time around. He goes to SS he has to start over from scratch.
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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Thing is he's won the GG at 2nd. If you've won it once, it's much easier the second and third and fourth time around. He goes to SS he has to start over from scratch.
    I completely agree, which is why he won't switch.

    He'll continue to throw his name in the hat with the NL 2Bs. Right now his competition is Utley, Hudson and Castillo.

    He switches to SS, and he's gotta compete with the likes of Rollins (overrated, IMO), Jose Reyes (when healthy), Tejada, Theriot, Furcal, Hardy, Renteria (only by name though, he's going the way of Derek Jeter), Y. Escobar. Bigger list, harder to make a name for yourself.

    So, I can see Brandon looking out for Brandon and his awards mantle.

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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    So, I can see Brandon looking out for Brandon and his awards mantle.

    Yep. I hope not but I could see it.
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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I know. But what I'm saying is that he may be traded before then. PayFlex, you know. Have to pick up the next Corey Taveras.
    True, I'm a bit surprised the Reds didn't deal him last week.
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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

    Didn't BP idolize Larkin growing up? I say you bring in Barry and let him work with BP in the off-season/ST, and give it a go in 2010. I agree that with Rolen at 3B, BP would just have to not be awful to stick at SS.

    I'll leave it to the numbers guys to figure out, but what generate more runs: AGon at SS and BP at 2nd, or a decent-gloved BP at SS and a decent batting/mediocre gloved Frazier at 2nd? With the rotation in a great deal of disarray for 2010, I'll take the boost in offense.

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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    I completely agree, which is why he won't switch.

    He'll continue to throw his name in the hat with the NL 2Bs. Right now his competition is Utley, Hudson and Castillo.

    He switches to SS, and he's gotta compete with the likes of Rollins (overrated, IMO), Jose Reyes (when healthy), Tejada, Theriot, Furcal, Hardy, Renteria (only by name though, he's going the way of Derek Jeter), Y. Escobar. Bigger list, harder to make a name for yourself.

    So, I can see Brandon looking out for Brandon and his awards mantle.
    If he wants to add to his awards mantle, those SS are much worse defensively than those 2B. Reyes is shaky with his footwork, arm, and vapor locks in pressure situations. Tejada has the range of a 3b. Theriot is Ryan Freel with a better bat, Rafael Furcal can't bend at the waist, Renteria is 110 years old, and Yunel Escobar reminds no one in Atlanta of Rafael Ramirez or Jeff Blauser, for that matter.

    If he's a "me-first" guy, Phillips should see:
    - SS as a higher profile position
    - SS offers a better chance at free agent big money
    - Only Reyes and perhaps Escobar as All Star level players at the position
    - Comparisons to favorite Red, Larkin
    - Becoming media darling and ersatz captain for putting team first

    Meanwhile, at 2B, he has to deal with Utley, everyone's Greatest 2B in the Game. (Deservedly so.)

    Easy call, that, I'd think.
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    Re: Per John Fays Twitter _Brandon would play SS if the reds want him too

    I agree with Scrap Irony. SS is definitely more of a glamour position with higher potential for earning. He's a potential allstar at SS.

    Personally, I think Phillips would play either SS or 2b. What's been holding the Reds back? That huge mistake named AGon. What if the Reds tried Phillips last year at SS and he thrived there? What would they do with the untradable AGon this year?
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