I see some signs of improvement, too, redsmetz. Pitching doesn't always come together on the fan's time table. He is still young and I think he is getting better.
I see some signs of improvement, too, redsmetz. Pitching doesn't always come together on the fan's time table. He is still young and I think he is getting better.
He is showing improvements. It just takes time for it all to come together. Since his start against Cleveland in the end of June in which he walked 7 batters, Homer has not walked more than 2 batters a game, with the exception of a 4 walk start against the Brewers.Originally Posted by CarolinaRedleg
We need to temper our expectations out of Homer a little bit. They guy has shown better command as of late. I also wonder if the addition of Rolen at 3b will effect him much. His biggest issue right now is to throw more strikes, which he has been doing. Once he harnesses his control watch out. I give him this season and then all of next season before I make any kind of judgment.
I think that Bailey has showed some improvement while trying to pitch for a bad team in a pitcher unfriendly park while knowing in the back of his mind that he is always one bad game from being sent back down. Often though without the names or stats I can’t tell the difference between Owings, Cueto, or a Bailey on the mound.
I suspect that the younger pitching will continue to be trading chips for Mr. Jocketty (does he really have other to trade?) and the Reds organization and that some of this young pitching might be served well career wise by a change of scenery to an organization that has good fortune developing young pitching.
I just don’t see how anyone can adequately evaluate the pitchers who pitch for the Reds with their defense, offense, lack of overall talent playing behind them in that ballpark. Would any of us be shocked if a pitcher left the Reds to another organization and performed better ?
Build a time machine and undo calling him up in 2007.
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Can't do anything about his age or experience. That's on the Reds for trashing his development timeline. The ERA is probably closer than we think if adjusted for era.
It's not a perfect comp, but Like I said, start him all year and they will know by next september if he's worth keeping.
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At some point the team has to stop abusing its fans.
If, during the final two months of this season, he's no better than he has been to date, then handing him a rotation slot in 2010 is essentially a white flag move. It would send the message that awarding jobs on merit is out the window and that fans will just have to endure the misery of watching this kid get beaten around on a regular basis.
My take is the Reds and Reds fans have an unhealthy relationship with Homer Bailey. The cord could stand a good severing, otherwise the maudlin melodrama will continue.
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Isn't the ERA always closer than we think if adjusted for ERA?:
And if he's not, then we only sacrificed Zach Stewart and Josh Roenicke in order to find out.It's not a perfect comp, but Like I said, start him all year and they will know by next september if he's worth keeping.
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Yep. If he doesn't get his ERA under 6.00 in 2009, he's either traded or in the pen in 2010.
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If you can't put up an ERA under 6.00 in over 100 innings over the course of a ML season, you simply don't belong in the major leagues (let alone in a major league rotation.)
If he can improve enough to get over that (not so lofty) hurdle, then I'm willing to have a little more patience.
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rotation. I don't think he's too far off at this point. By next year, I think he'll at the very least be a viable fifth starter.
So the Reds will have three #5's next year.
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He'll probably be in the rotation unless payroll is freed up by trading Arroyo and Harang.
I voted for the wrong thing accidentally.... but you put him in your rotation. He may be very Kyle Lohse like in the sense that you will get your good and bad nights, but I think he is going to be ok overall next year (and even the rest of this year). It seems like in his bad games he tends to make one mistake pitch and it always gets him.
I think you pitch him #5 until you have a better option for #5. The better option then forces your hand.
Given his age and potential, I think your hand is one of the following: 1) bullpen to buy time, 2) bullpen with the intent of changing his role, 3) try to trade him.
In my opinion, options 1 and 3 are preferable to option 2 because option 2 guts his value.
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