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hell yeah, who else is going to cut such awesome promos for jtm burgers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTQpX--WRz0
I really hoped they wouldn't be together again, ever again...
Why is everyone convinced JJ Hardy is a good defensive SS? Every time I've seen him play he seems to have questionable range...I've always thought he was just part of the Brewers standard all offense-no defense philosophy which doesn't seem to achieve much more than a shot at a wild card berth each year. I don't mind giving up Arroyo and/or Harang, but Hardy would not be my target...I'd really try to get them out of my division, if not out of our league. Either one of them could contend for the Cy Young award if they faced our offense regularly.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that once was good, and what could be again." -- Terence Mann
Last edited by Ron Madden; 08-14-2009 at 03:19 AM.
I'm into Peripherals (though I don't really care for stats derived from them like FIP,X-FIP or Runs Created) and use this method for judging guys I don't see pitch all the time, but in the case of Arroyo and Harang, here is what I see. Arroyo is more likely to have a few uber-stinkers that really skew his stats as compared to his overall performance, but I also think he is more likely to pitch deep into games more often at this point while putting up a major league caliber performance that gives his team a chance to win well into the late innings (while mixing in more dominant performances as well) than Harang is. Over 32 starts, I think Arroyo is more likely to pitch more games that give his team a good chance to win than Harang will and for me its about winning games.
OTOH, if I were playing fantasy baseball and had to have one on my team, I'd take Harang since Arroyo's stinkers would be more harmful. The Reds don't play fantasy baseball though and its about winning games. I just happen to think Arroyo is more likely to make that happen more often over a season than Harang will at this point in both of their careers. Maybe its the pills
Given Volquez injury, this team probably needs to keep them both since I just don't see the Reds getting an upgrade for the money avaialable even if these contracts are purged somehow.
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IMO in a team sense Arroyo has more value. I agree with mth, every once in a while he will throw up a stinker, but he puts up stretches where he is dominant.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Arroyo reminds me of Kyle Lohse when he was here.
1/3 of his starts are stinkers
1/3 of his starts are ok
1/3 of his starts are super
I never could understand the angst over Lohse on this board and thought he was worthy of a contract a couple years ago.
A rotation of....
Harang
Cueto
Lohse
Arroyo
Owings/Bailey/Lehr/insert AAAA starter
would be okay to me if the offense could score a few runs. Throw in a healthy Volquez and you might not have a true #1, but you have a boatload of #2's and 3's.
1/3 is very high for "super" Kyle Lohse starts as a Red. Lohse comps is more like Cueto--unhittable for 3-5 innings, but you knew a blow up was inevitable, it came fast, and it came hard.
I posted this two years ago after about 18 starts through the 2007 season. I think those 6 starts would qualify as "super". Of course, it all depends on what your definition of "super" is, but I think Kyle Lohse has been nearly unhittable when he's been "on" the past few years.
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