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The overwhelming preference for Harang over Arroyo is weird to me. Arroyo has more quality starts and a higher percentage of quality starts. His overall numbers are pretty close to Harang's, even with two massive stat-busting starts in there.
At this point, I'd actually rather keep Arroyo. Although my preference remains to keep them both unless the return is real talent. I don't trust payflex.
As far as which pitcher is better, I would say that Harang has the higher upside, doesn't have carpal tunnel, and would be more likely to give a solid playoff start or two than Arroyo.
He's almost certainly not a guy that one would argue the Brewers would target as an impact starter for their playoff push.
This is all before even considering Arroyo's salary.
As for your second paragraph, sounds like a lot of opinion (other than the carpal tunnel thing, which is so overblown it's ridiculous ... hasn't been much of an issue in the second half). Like I said ... it's weird.
All the numbers count, although I'm sure if some GM is trying to justify a transaction with Arroyo, your argument would be thrown out there. To which the owner should say, "sorry, I do not want Arroyo throwing a couple of those honkers in the middle of the pennant race. For that kind of money, we need someone a bit more reliable."
How does Stubbs impede the playoff push?
The way I see it, this trade helps the Brewers for the playoff push and the future. Hardy isn't helping them with either.
Coming into the year, Lorenzo Cain wasn't even a Top 5 prospect in a weak Brewers system. Since then, the former 17th round pick has OPSed .600 this year in A and AA. I'd hardly say they're counting on him anytime soon.
Last edited by Benihana; 08-12-2009 at 04:41 PM.
Both guys have pitched some pretty bad games this season.
Harang will walk fewer guys and still has the ability to strike hitters out.
We have also seen over the last couple of starts that Harangs velocity is up after he made some adjustments.
I don't know if he will get back to being the same pitcher he was a few years ago but his fastball and slider have looked better.
FWIW, Rosenthal dissed both of them on MLB Network last night as "yes, the Angels need help in the rotation, but I wouldn't be looking to either of those to provide it." (paraphrased)