Mike Vick to the Eagles

[Eric_the_Red]

Symptoms

Common characteristics of those with psychopathy are:

* Grandiose sense of self-worth
* Superficial charm
* Criminal versatility
* Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others
* Impulse control problems
* Irresponsibility
* Inability to tolerate boredom
* Pathological narcissism
* Pathological lying
* Shallow affect
* Deceitfulness/manipulativeness
* Aggressive or violent tendencies, repeated physical fights or assaults on others
* Lack of empathy
* Lack of remorse, indifferent to or rationalizes having hurt or mistreated others
* A sense of extreme entitlement
* Lack of or diminished levels of anxiety/nervousness and other emotions
* Promiscuous sexual behavior, sexually deviant lifestyle
* Poor judgment, failure to learn from experience
* Lack of personal insight
* Failure to follow any life plan
* Abuse of drugs including alcohol
* Inability to distinguish right from wrong

Could check off, what, 80% of those for Vick? And that's being kind, IMO.

Chad Ochocinco is a psychopath!!

[WMR]

I'd say he is trying to make a living the only legal way he knows how... or is allowed to given that he has a felony record now.

It's impossible to callously murder and torture animals and find it humorous amongst your friends while simultaneously pretending to be a law-abiding good-guy football player WITHOUT being a psycho/sociopath, IMO.

[WMR]

Chad Ochocinco is a psychopath!!

He probably is on some level. Socio/psychopathy isn't especially rare, it's just the degree that varies. Socio/psychopathy doesn't equate to "evil" in all or even necessarily most cases.

[dabvu2498]

It's impossible to callously murder and torture animals and find it humorous amongst your friends while simultaneously pretending to be a law-abiding good-guy football player WITHOUT being a psycho/sociopath, IMO.

Like I said, I don't argue that there were socio/psychopathic tendancies in his actions.

However, to deny the man a 2nd chance not appropo either. If he screws up again, even the least little bit, yeah... banish him to the deepest pits.

What should have been done with Vick, in your opinion, WMR?

[WMR]

Like I said, I don't argue that there were socio/psychopathic tendancies in his actions.

However, to deny the man a 2nd chance not appropo either. If he screws up again, even the least little bit, yeah... banish him to the deepest pits.

What should have been done with Vick, in your opinion, WMR?

I would have banished him permanently from the NFL.

His prison sentence was satisfactory considering the nature of his crimes.

[BRM]

I would have banished him permanently from the NFL.

His prison sentence was satisfactory considering the nature of his crimes.

So you were happy with the legal punishment but not happy that Goodell reinstated him?

[WMR]

So you were happy with the legal punishment but not happy that Goodell reinstated him?

Happy? I wouldn't go that far. I would have been perfectly happy if they gave him 10. The things that he did to those poor animals are atrocities that no living thing should have to endure. But 2 years is probably a pretty "fair" punishment, all things considered.

[dabvu2498]

I would have banished him permanently from the NFL.

His prison sentence was satisfactory considering the nature of his crimes.

That would've been tough to do with Leonard Little still in the league.

[BRM]

Happy? I wouldn't go that far. I would have been perfectly happy if they gave him 10. The things that he did to those poor animals are atrocities that no living thing should have to endure. But 2 years is probably a pretty "fair" punishment, all things considered.

That's kind of how I see it too. At the time I was hoping he would have gotten more but now I think 2 years was probably fair.

As for the banishment, I agree with Dab. That would have been tough to do.

[WMR]

That would've been tough to do with Leonard Little still in the league.

Didn't Little's crimes occur under the watch of a different commish? I don't think you can retroactively punish a player for something that he has already been punished for, even if the punishment was not satisfactory in light of your own views on player discipline.

[dabvu2498]

Didn't Little's crimes occur under the watch of a different commish? I don't think you can retroactively punish a player for something that he has already been punished for, even if the punishment was not satisfactory in light of your own views on player discipline.

OK, Vick has been suspended for 2+ years. How does that size up with the response to the Stallworth incident?

[WMR]

OK, Vick has been suspended for 2+ years. How does that size up with the response to the Stallworth incident?

Well, we are talking about me as commish, right, and not Roger Goodell?

However, I do draw quite a distinction between a careless, unintentional act and the sort of rampant torture and murder of innocent creatures in which Vick was engaged.

Before anyone goes there, that is NOT to imply that animals are more valuable than humans.

I just see a monumental difference between those two crimes in what it says about what sort of person you are.

[dabvu2498]

Well, we are talking about me as commish, right, and not Roger Goodell?

However, I do draw quite a distinction between a careless, unintentional act and the sort of rampant torture and murder of innocent creatures in which Vick was engaged.

Before anyone goes there, that is NOT to imply that animals are more valuable than humans.

I just see a monumental difference between those two crimes in what it says about what sort of person you are.

So we're asking the commisioner to make value judgements on whether or not a guy deserves to be able to draw a paycheck? There are likely several other guys in the league that would qualify as sociopaths based on your above symptoms. Tank Johnson comes to mind.

Let's be honest, Goodell is not running a nunnery.

[WMR]

So we're asking the commisioner to make value judgements on whether or not a guy deserves to be able to draw a paycheck? There are likely several other guys in the league that would qualify as sociopaths based on your above symptoms. Tank Johnson comes to mind.

Let's be honest, Goodell is not running a nunnery.

Whether or not he deserves to draw a paycheck isn't the issue for me if I'm the commissioner. Neither myself or the NFL owe Mike Vick a damn thing.

I wouldn't want someone who did what Vick did associated with my product.

[WMR]

You don't do what Vick did, and do it over and over and over and over, without something inside of you being irrevocably broken. His apologies would be excellent lining for a litter box.