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    Rosales may not be a star, but I bet he has a nice little career for himself. When players of similar ability are vying with him for a job, he will get those jobs a lot of times because of the hustle and the way he conducts himself. One thing I have noticed about Rosales is that he has a much stronger arm than I had thought. Gets some zip on the balls across the infield. Will probably never be an everyday player but I bet he has a nice career as a utility player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC View Post
    Rosales may not be a star, but I bet he has a nice little career for himself. When players of similar ability are vying with him for a job, he will get those jobs a lot of times because of the hustle and the way he conducts himself. One thing I have noticed about Rosales is that he has a much stronger arm than I had thought. Gets some zip on the balls across the infield. Will probably never be an everyday player but I bet he has a nice career as a utility player.
    Why not see if Rosales can play 2B and Phillips play SS?

    I think Rosales could be serviceable as a 2B, but as a 3B or SS I think he doesn't have enough bat or glove to stick on a MLB roster.

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    Rosales doesn't have enough bat to stick anywhere.

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    My take on this award is that it unfortunately helps legitimize Rosales as a MLB player...something at this stage in his career I don't think he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC View Post
    Rosales may not be a star, but I bet he has a nice little career for himself. When players of similar ability are vying with him for a job, he will get those jobs a lot of times because of the hustle and the way he conducts himself. One thing I have noticed about Rosales is that he has a much stronger arm than I had thought. Gets some zip on the balls across the infield. Will probably never be an everyday player but I bet he has a nice career as a utility player.
    I think Rosales is a fine utility player. The problem is he plays everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC View Post
    These days, it is a sin to hustle. It must mean you have no talent.
    People seem to forget a 22 year old 2nd baseman who came up to this team back in 1963. Didn't have a whole lot of natural talent, but he played his butt off. Think he won the rookie of the year award that year. Of course, his OPS was only .705, so that means he really wasn't a major league caliber hitter as we all know. I wonder what happened to him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by savafan View Post
    People seem to forget a 22 year old 2nd baseman who came up to this team back in 1963. Didn't have a whole lot of natural talent, but he played his butt off. Think he won the rookie of the year award that year. Of course, his OPS was only .705, so that means he really wasn't a major league caliber hitter as we all know. I wonder what happened to him?
    I think those same "people" realize that in 1963, Pete Rose hit .273 in 600 odd ABs. Adam Rosales is hitting .211 in 184. Rose also OPS+ 101 in a much smaller talent pool. Rosales, a cool 64 in a much larger talent pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by savafan View Post
    People seem to forget a 22 year old 2nd baseman who came up to this team back in 1963. Didn't have a whole lot of natural talent, but he played his butt off. Think he won the rookie of the year award that year. Of course, his OPS was only .705, so that means he really wasn't a major league caliber hitter as we all know. I wonder what happened to him?
    He went to prison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    I think those same "people" realize that in 1963, Pete Rose hit .273 in 600 odd ABs. Adam Rosales is hitting .211 in 184. Rose also OPS+ 101 in a much smaller talent pool. Rosales, a cool 64 in a much larger talent pool.
    I'm not saying that minor league numbers always translate to major league ability, but perhaps those same "people" would be surprised to know that Rosales has a career minor league line of .289/.364/.491 and a career minor league OPS of .855 in 1662 at bats. There may be some talent there that hasn't been able to come out in a scattered 184 ABs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    He went to prison.
    It was like the Ron LeFlore story in reverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savafan View Post
    People seem to forget a 22 year old 2nd baseman who came up to this team back in 1963. Didn't have a whole lot of natural talent, but he played his butt off. Think he won the rookie of the year award that year. Of course, his OPS was only .705, so that means he really wasn't a major league caliber hitter as we all know. I wonder what happened to him?
    He bet on baseball, got thrown out of baseball, and is now fighting/begging to get into the HOF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    He bet on baseball, got thrown out of baseball, and is now fighting/begging to get into the HOF?
    Right. My point is, and it should be obvious, sometimes in this game, guys come along that don't necessarily have the natural talent to succeed, yet by their drive and desire, they excel despite their skill level. Pete Rose was one of those. I'd say Kirby Puckett was another. Rosales may be one of those guys. We can't really tell from 184 ABs. His minor league numbers look good. He plays hard, but I don't view him as someone who plays recklessly a la Ryan Freel, someone who is going to continue finding his way to the DL due to his hard play. Rosales looks to me like someone who, while scrappy and hustling, also knows how to play smart baseball. I know his defense is lacking at times, but the kid tries so hard, he may just get it on desire alone.
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    He went to prison.
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    I agree that Rosales deserves to find his role, which might be a useful one, but many here fear that we fall in love too easily with this kind of player. One of the big reasons for getting Rolen, even on the downside of his career, was from being tired of so many flawed project players. Finally, a pure professional who knows what he's doing out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    I think Rosales is a fine utility player. The problem is he plays everyday.
    That is hardly his fault, or Dusty's fault for that matter, yet folks continue to bash on him. Injuries have caused him to play much more than he would have ever got to play, otherwise. It may be a good thing, as there is nothing left to lose in this season. His added experience this season may prove to be a very valuable puzzle piece for the bench, next season, if the Reds can do some work over the off-season and put a few quality pieces in place.

    But then again........................ all that might just get in the way of a good ol' redszone bash.
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