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    Re: Cueto

    Use the changeup more.

    Get a new pitching coach.


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    Re: Cueto

    Don't know what his problem is. But he needs to solve it at AAA. The Reds are now officially squandering his non-arbitration contract years.

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    Re: Cueto

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I disagree about shutting him down. Let him go out there and pitch if he's healthy. He's not going over 4 innings anyway. Who knows, he may find out what the trouble is pitchng in one of these meaningless games.

    I think it's a mechanical problem. And I don't think Dick Pole is the guy to fix him. I'd also let him pitch in winter ball - if healthy. Maybe Soto or someone else can fix him.
    I agree. Why shut a pitcher down if there is nothing wrong physically with them? This is the time where they need to watch him pitch and try to find/correct whatever he is doing wrong. If it's mechanical, or even in his head, you can't do that if he's sitting on the bench.

    And Johnny is a competitor. If it is in his head, then you could simply screw him up more by shutting him down.

    These are issues that have to be worked through. I personally thing it's an endurance issue too.
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    Re: Cueto

    Little guy, maybe he's always going to have a hard road late in the season, down the road? In the humidity too.

    Maybe he's on a Tom Gordon path

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    Re: Cueto

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    From the game thread last evening:
    He's went a prolonged spell without his plus command.
    How's does that happen?
    I never did know and probably never will but does anyone know how that happens?
    Last edited by Spring~Fields; 08-16-2009 at 11:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spring~Fields View Post
    How's does that happen?
    I never did know and probably never will but does anyone know how that happens?
    Mechanics, injury, fatigue...

    For a guy like Cueto who rode plus command like a rocket through their system, it's got to be a cause for pause.

    Keep in mind this is a bit of a blanket statement but those with the time ought to be watching tape and him very closely IMHO.
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    Re: Cueto

    He's 23 and learning to deal with handling pressure, pitching without his best stuff, etc.. We're a bad team with or without him. No use in sending him down to let him dominate AAA. Let him continue to learn in the majors, so long as he's fully healthy. He'll be better off for it down the road.

    If he's not fully healthy, get him off the mound. My biggest concern with him is that he wants it so badly he'll throw until his arm falls off if they let him.

    I wonder if the Reds do the same sort of strength testing, etc. that they do in Boston and elsewhere.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Cueto

    It seems to me that a lot of good young pitchers dominate in the minors, throwing hard with good command. When they get to the majors, they start the way they always have, but sooner or later they're going to have a bad outing, get knocked out in the fourth inning, whatever. It's the majors after all. So they start to nibble, they lose their command, the coaches tell them to not throw as hard to improve their command, they get hit more often, they nibble more, now they have neither command nor velocity.

    The coaches need a way to reboot a young pitcher. Just telling him, "Trust your stuff" isn't enough.

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    Re: Cueto

    According to Enquirer blog, Cueto is being skipped next turn.

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    I seriously doubt winter ball has had any impact on his current performance.
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    Re: Cueto

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Little guy, maybe he's always going to have a hard road late in the season, down the road? In the humidity too.

    Maybe he's on a Tom Gordon path
    Thinking the same thing.

    Oh, and MLB starting is hard. Really hard.
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    Re: Cueto

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I seriously doubt winter ball has had any impact on his current performance.
    You don't think those winter ball innings have anything to do with him hitting a wall now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    You don't think those winter ball innings have anything to do with him hitting a wall now?
    Not at all.
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    Re: Cueto

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Not at all.
    Any particular reason?

    Seems to me since he never really got an extended break from 2008 to 2009, he's now showing signs of wear from continued use, which can't be good for his mechanics.

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    Re: Cueto

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Any particular reason?

    Seems to me since he never really got an extended break from 2008 to 2009, he's now showing signs of wear from continued use, which can't be good for his mechanics.
    So few innings. He probably got more wear on his arm from carrying stuff around his house this offseason.

    I think he's short and probably doesn't take offseason conditioning very seriously. That's my theory.
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