Because it is. The way it is has unfolded in this case, over the last year or so, it's bashing.
The same as when it was Stubbs being bashed by certain folks.
What is missing, sometimes, from this very wonderful part of the forum, is a longer view. We tend, sometimes, as a board, to focus on the micro and miss the macro. And miss that sometimes, guys improve.
I think many were bashing the Reds for taking Stubbs over Lincecum. (and many thought that before the pick was made, so it wasn't second guessing).
Maybe in time that evolved to 'bashing' Stubbs, but it was born out of the frustration of watching Lincecum evolve into one of the top pitchers in baseball.
I don't think anyone here actively roots against players. And the comment about Francisco having trouble with inside breaking balls was a fair one, because he'll have to make that adjustment to have success on the next level.
"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." - Sparky Anderson
Ultimately, at some point, the player will show the way. Francisco is one guy I've liked for several years and it's been annoying to see the ridiculous placements he gets on RedsZone polls, etc. But there's no reason to debate it, the player will show the way.
On the other hand, I've not been particularly high on Stubbs -- yet I've been excited to see him do well his first two days in the big leagues and, at least initially, he looks like he belongs.
People can bash these kids if they want, but at the end we will be suprised how well some do and grossly disappointed in others.
Bashing of players is par for the course on these forums. Ignore it. The only opinion that matters is the collective opinion of the decision makers on the team.
Last edited by Kc61; 08-20-2009 at 04:42 PM.
Seems like frustration as opposed to bashing...maybe frustration is bashing in your dictionary, but not mine. Francisco would be the Reds #1 prospect if he showed the ability to recognize pitches out of the strike zone with consistency. That's a fact. He has tremendous power and has put up pretty good numbers despite that 'flaw' if you will. He still has the potential to be a really good MLB player and I for one hope he develops into one.
Bum
I don't see that as bashing. I was voicing a weakness that he hadn't make any improvements on.
In that same thread I had this to say about Francisco
This was from the day before
This is from the thread where Francisco was called up to the Bats
I think I have been pretty fair with Francisco. I don't believe that I have once 'bashed him'. I believe I have been honest in my assessment of him.
thanks...I stand corrected...21 AB's....I was more referring to the entire season or his entire minor league career...the sarcasm helps in these discussions though. I guess the intellectual/civil part of the discussion is over now. I will stand down and just watch what happens. As I have said multiple times, he has tons of potential and a little plate discipline is all he needs.
Have fun.
Bum
It was sarcastic, but I thought it was civil.
Funny part of the whole discussion is that Francisco made over 30 errors at 3B at AA. Now that's an area worth watching closely.
McCoy suggested today that Rolen is blocking Francisco at third base. I don't quite see that. Hard to see Cisco at third in the major leagues real soon with all those errors.
I think the errors are a bit of a result of the field in Carolina. Both he and Cozart have just about doubled their error total from the year before. Weird that it would work out like that. I have heard some bad things about the field conditions there as well. Francisco is not great shakes over at 3B, but I don't think he is 35 error bad either.
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