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    Cordero Vs Herrera

    One is a 6'4" 240lb hulking flame throwing RH Closer...

    The other is a 5'5" 160lb soft tossing LH middle reliever whos fast ball is slower than Corderos Change up...

    So what do they have in common?

    F Cordero

    2.20 ERA 49 Games 26 Saves 49.0 Inn 39 H 2 HR 0 HB 20 BB 40 K

    D Herrera

    2.74 ERA 55 Games 49.1 Inn 53 H 4 HR 1 HB 20 BB 40 K

    Same innings same BB and K rate. Suprised the hell outta me.
    Herrera GB rate is much better as well. 1.78 vs 1.08. So who has better value? $400k vs $12 Mil and the fact Herrera can pitch in non save situations without imploding you'd have to say Danny... So what makes RZers think keeping Cordero at 12 Mil is worth it?

    I think we as fans and RZers in particular get to hung up on the fact of a pitcher with big arm. Herrera is a prime example on the value of knowing how to pitch vs thowing the ball past someone to suceed. So when we get guys like Leake thru the draft and Wood who we develop who aren't big arms that people right off so quickly, keep in mind the old saying it isn't always how hard you throw the ball but where you throw it.

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    Re: Cordero Vs Herrera

    The major difference is 237 saves

    Herrera hasn't pitched in the situations Cordero has, and often times pitches against left handers in favorable matchups.

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    Re: Cordero Vs Herrera

    Herrera and Cordero as similar pitchers because they both throw at speeds hitters have trouble hitting. 88 MPH is easy to hit compared to 70 and 98

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    Re: Cordero Vs Herrera

    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    Herrera and Cordero as similar pitchers because they both throw at speeds hitters have trouble hitting. 88 MPH is easy to hit compared to 70 and 98
    THis I tend to agree with you GIDP as I usually but I don't see a value difference between them. I understand Cordero has done it longer and that he is a legit closer but, is his #'s that are similar to Herrera's worth 11.6 Mil more? Not reflecting the fact the Reds have such a poor record.

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    Re: Cordero Vs Herrera

    Id trust the Cordero type pitchers more than the Herrea type

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    Re: Cordero Vs Herrera

    Quote Originally Posted by mroby85 View Post
    The major difference is 237 saves

    Herrera hasn't pitched in the situations Cordero has, and often times pitches against left handers in favorable matchups.
    Saves Yes...

    Herrera

    vs LH Batter 1.48 ERA 47 Games 24.1 Inn 19 H 7 BB 23 K
    vs RH Batter 3.96 ERA 46 Games 25.0 Inn 34 H 13 BB 17 K

    Faced more RH's but has faired much better againgt LH

    Cordero

    vs LH Batter 1.07 ERA 47 Games 25.1 Inn 18 H 13 BB 25 K
    vs RH Batter 3.42 ERA 46 Games 23.2 Inn 21 H 7 BB 15 K

    Faced more LH than Herrera and does better against them. Herrera K rate is higher against RH as well.


    But lets take it a step further...

    In late innings Herrera's #'s are...
    1.08 ERA 13 Games 8.1 Innings 5 H 3 BB 6 K's

    Cordero's are...
    1.50 ERA 18 Games 18.0 Innings 12 H 9 BB 12 K's

    Herrera albeit with a small sample size does better or as about as well as Cordero for about 11.6 mil less.
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    Re: Cordero Vs Herrera

    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    Id trust the Cordero type pitchers more than the Herrea type
    But does this team need a Cordero type of pitcher? Are they getting good value out of his contract? The numbers say no.

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    Re: Cordero Vs Herrera

    Quote Originally Posted by nemesis View Post
    But does this team need a Cordero type of pitcher? Are they getting good value out of his contract? The numbers say no.
    If they are a winning team yea id say they are getting good value. Of course on a terrible team they arent.

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    Re: Cordero Vs Herrera

    Any lefty specialist who has decent talent should be able to put up solid numbers the first time or two through the league. Lets see how he does over the next couple years.

    Also, remember how good burton looked a couple years ago?


    Just out of curiosity, got any stats on DRH coming in with inherited runners?

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    Re: Cordero Vs Herrera

    Pretty eye-opening numbers, but it's really tough to read into them too much (other than the fact that they've both had *very* good seasons).

    The "stat" I'd focus on, however, is....

    Daniel Ray = $400,000
    Cordero = $12 million

    That is some SERIOUS value we're getting out of Danny. But can he keep it up for 10+ seasons like Cordero has? Who knows. I'd have bet my life 2 years ago that Jared Burton would be a shutdown closer by now. And that....uhhhh...hasn't exactly panned out.

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    Re: Cordero Vs Herrera

    I get the feeling it is mental thing with Burton out there...

    Just because one pitchers production declines after two years doesn't mean that that will be the fate of all of them. I get this felling that Herrera ends up more like Franco and less like Burton.
    If you can't be a good example... then you'll just have to be a horrible warning...

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    Re: Cordero Vs Herrera

    It's always been my opinion that Herrerra is going to get exposed next year, so enjoy his success while it lasts.
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    Re: Cordero Vs Herrera

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBigLebowski View Post
    It's always been my opinion that Herrerra is going to get exposed next year, so enjoy his success while it lasts.
    I'll quote you on this and save it for next year..
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    Re: Cordero Vs Herrera

    Don't know where else to post this and I'm still just mad about today's game

    HOW MANY TIMES MUST CORDERO BE BROUGHT IN IN TIE GAMES TO GIVE UP RUNS!
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    Re: Cordero Vs Herrera

    Quote Originally Posted by corwinator3407 View Post
    Don't know where else to post this and I'm still just mad about today's game

    HOW MANY TIMES MUST CORDERO BE BROUGHT IN IN TIE GAMES TO GIVE UP RUNS!
    Cordero is being abused more than any pitcher on the team right now. Hes thrown so many pitches and pitched in like 7 of the last 9 days.


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