Turn Off Ads?
Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 55

Thread: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

  1. #16
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    6,419

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    Im talking more guaranteed money here instead of just some fake figure that will never be earned most likely.

    and how it is now the Bengals said the ship has sailed on the slotting system. I agree with them. Smith is useless for at least half the season most likely now. Why should the Bengals pay him for a full season when he held out and is now just going to be on the bench. Both sides are to blame but I put nothing past Smith considering how crappy he and his agent have handled everything.

    Keels has been trying to use media outlets to pressure the bengals. I tend to think he has a reason for this other than just being a nice guy. Its obviously a ploy. I trust him about as much as I trust Mike Brown.

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #17
    GR8NESS WMR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Lexington, Kentucky
    Posts
    16,957

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    All of that may be true but the fault still lies with the Bungles and Mikey Boy.

    You've got 100 million invested in a QB and you finally do the right things on draft day and you DON'T GET YOUR FRANCHISE TACKLE SIGNED?????

    Just utter incompetency, plain and simple.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"


  4. #18
    Member Highlifeman21's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Bristol, just around the corner from ESPN
    Posts
    8,694

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    All of that may be true but the fault still lies with the Bungles and Mikey Boy.

    You've got 100 million invested in a QB and you finally do the right things on draft day and you DON'T GET YOUR FRANCHISE TACKLE SIGNED?????

    Just utter incompetency, plain and simple.
    Do you think Smith is a franchise tackle, though?

  5. #19
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    6,419

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    All of that may be true but the fault still lies with the Bungles and Mikey Boy.

    You've got 100 million invested in a QB and you finally do the right things on draft day and you DON'T GET YOUR FRANCHISE TACKLE SIGNED?????

    Just utter incompetency, plain and simple.
    I dont know how the Bengals are sole to blame here.

  6. #20
    I hate the Cubs LoganBuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    6,123

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Do you think Smith is a franchise tackle, though?
    Offensive Tackles picked in the Top 10 better be. Otherwise they are millstones around your neck.
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

  7. #21
    GR8NESS WMR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Lexington, Kentucky
    Posts
    16,957

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Do you think Smith is a franchise tackle, though?
    I don't know... like LB said, you gotta plan for him being just that at this point since you drafted him with a top 10 pick.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"


  8. #22
    GR8NESS WMR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Lexington, Kentucky
    Posts
    16,957

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    I dont know how the Bengals are sole to blame here.
    How long have you been following the Bungles?

    There's a reason that crap like this is always happening to them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"


  9. #23
    I hate the Cubs LoganBuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    6,123

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    How long have you been following the Bungles?

    There's a reason that crap like this is always happening to them.
    +2

    :deadhorse
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

  10. #24
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    6,419

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    How long have you been following the Bungles?

    There's a reason that crap like this is always happening to them.
    No doubt but im still not going to put all the blame on the Bengals. Plenty of teams have hold outs. Just going off what Smith has shown us in the past I have no doubt that hes likely just as shady.

  11. #25
    I hate the Cubs LoganBuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    6,123

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    No doubt but im still not going to put all the blame on the Bengals. Plenty of teams have hold outs. Just going off what Smith has shown us in the past I have no doubt that hes likely just as shady.
    From Joe Reedy's Blog
    Alvin Keels arrived and departed from Cincinnati on Sunday without a deal for first-round pick Andre Smith. Keels met for four hours with Katie Blackburn and Mike Brown where no progress was made in getting the offensive tackle signed.

    Sunday marked the 24th day that Smith has gone unsigned and he is one of two first-round picks who remain unsigned, along with San Franciscoís Michael Crabree, who was the 10th pick.

    The Bengals last offer to Smith was five years at the base at $28 million and a maximum of $33 million. Thatís lower than the contract for last yearís sixth pick, the Jetsí Vernon Gholston (base of $32.5 million) and this yearís seventh pick Oaklandís Darrius Heyward-Bey (base of $38.25 million).
    With Smith unsigned, many are now looking at the holdout lasting to September or longer. Justin Smith, the Bengalsí first-round pick in 2001, was out for 51 days while Ricky Hunley was unsigned by the team in 1984 before his rights were traded to Denver in midseason.
    From Alvin Keels' Twitter
    Leaving Cinci. Not any closer on a deal for Andre Smith. Mike Brown says "the ship has sailed on the slotting system".
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

  12. #26
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    6,419

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    I really appreciate Alvin Keels letting us know his side of the story. Hes such a nice guy for being so open.

  13. #27
    I hate the Cubs LoganBuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    6,123

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    I really appreciate Alvin Keels letting us know his side of the story. Hes such a nice guy for being so open.
    It is a new day. Doesn't make it right or wrong.
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

  14. #28
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    6,419

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    It is a new day. Doesn't make it right or wrong.
    Twitter from an agent is just a easy way for propaganda to reach the masses. Hes not going to tell us anything about what hes actually trying to ask for. My whole stance is we have no idea what the truth is and I can assume that what ever Keels says isnt remotely close to being the whole truth.

  15. #29
    Waitin til next year bucksfan2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    10,124

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    Im talking more guaranteed money here instead of just some fake figure that will never be earned most likely.

    and how it is now the Bengals said the ship has sailed on the slotting system. I agree with them. Smith is useless for at least half the season most likely now. Why should the Bengals pay him for a full season when he held out and is now just going to be on the bench. Both sides are to blame but I put nothing past Smith considering how crappy he and his agent have handled everything.

    Keels has been trying to use media outlets to pressure the bengals. I tend to think he has a reason for this other than just being a nice guy. Its obviously a ploy. I trust him about as much as I trust Mike Brown.
    I agree 100%. He is using any method possible to sway fan support behind Smith and against the Bengals. It really shouldn't be that hard, but Keels is overlooking who his client is. I would venture to guess that anybody who follows football knows the eventful pre draft soap opera that Smith went through. In Smith's case it was painfully depicted almost of a daily basis. It is very difficult to garner good will for a client who showed several red flags when the pressure was on him pre-draft.

    I think the leverage is starting to swing back to the Bengals. Smith knows that in order to play in the first quarter of the season he needs to get with the team ASAP. The longer he sits out the more wasted season he begins to have. He isn't like a franchise QB, Smith could have come in and started from day 1. Instead it looks like he won't be starting until around game 5. He is not only delaying getting paid, but he is also delaying his second contract.

    At some point Smith needs to step in and say to his agent "Get it done". No more 4 hour meetings without anything new coming out of them. No more holdout. No more wasting time and practice. In the end Smith becomes the real loser the longer the hold out extends.

  16. #30
    Boom Goes the Dynamite Screwball's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    West Chester
    Posts
    2,415

    Re: Mike Brown Article on ESPN.com

    Didn't Keels say on Hard Knocks they wanted a little over what DHB got from the Raiders, and Katie said they're "not prepared to meet that"?

    While it sucks Al Davis is clearly insane, this is how it is. Either pay the man his slot money, or punish the team by not doing so. They're not going to get away with their lowball offer.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25