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    Fangraphs-Using Advanced Metrics on the Machine

    It's been a frustrating season for Reds fans in many respects. But it should be a good time to be a Reds fan as summer winds down since Joe Poz's book about the BRM is about to be released. With it should come lots of national talk about a great period in Reds history.

    RJ Anderson at fangraphs chimes in with a look back at the BRM using sabermetrics:

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    In case you didn’t know – and holy smokes you better have known – Joe Morgan was a heck of a ballplayer. Morgan’s 21 BB% is jaw-dropping and his .327/.466/.508 line is just incredible. Hopefully Morgan’s buffoonery in announcing hasn’t caused some statistically orientated fans to discount his playing career because that would be an absolute crime.

    How often is the second baseman the best offensive player on the team while the catcher is the second best? Johnny Bench’s .283/.359/.519 line is almost equal to George Foster’s .300/.356/.518 and Foster played the corner outfield. That guy Pete Rose was pretty good too, as was Ken Griffey and Tony Perez.

    Later on a look at their pitching staff.
    I bet there is a whole generation that only knows Morgan from his color commentary.....
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: Fangraphs-Using Advanced Metrics on the Machine

    Has anybody ever been able to explain why Morgan was such a smart ballplayer and a bumbling announcer? What changed? What did he know then that he doesn't know now?

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    Re: Fangraphs-Using Advanced Metrics on the Machine

    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003 View Post
    Has anybody ever been able to explain why Morgan was such a smart ballplayer and a bumbling announcer? What changed? What did he know then that he doesn't know now?
    People's actions don't always line up with their beliefs. He's short (lot of walks) and had a lot of power, he was just playing the game the way it came to him. When he thinks about it, his traditions get in the way of logical reasoning, so he believes differently than his actions reflected to get the job done.

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    Re: Fangraphs-Using Advanced Metrics on the Machine

    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003 View Post
    Has anybody ever been able to explain why Morgan was such a smart ballplayer and a bumbling announcer? What changed? What did he know then that he doesn't know now?
    I certainly don't agree with Morgan all the time, but I think he's extremely insightful with regard to the mechanical portion of the game. His ideology and his approach with the headset are less than ideal to listen to. But for what he is, I think he gets an unfair rap sometime (I imagine its been his cold reception toward Sabermetrics).
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    Re: Fangraphs-Using Advanced Metrics on the Machine

    Here's part 2 covering commenting on the pitching staff.....

    Not surprisingly, RJ likes the BRM's position players more than it's pitching staff.....
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner


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