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  • His current .760 OPS is just fine

    22 24.72%
  • Would like to see a higher OBP, even at expense of some SLG

    51 57.30%
  • Would like to see the SLG continue to climb

    2 2.25%
  • Not satisfied with a .760 OPS

    4 4.49%
  • Slightly lower than .760 would still be justifed by defense

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Thread: Drew Stubbs

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    You should consider applying for Walt's position.

    I mean you speak so authoritatively about everything. Surely you could never be wrong on anything.
    Yep. I've noticed that too but I didn't want to say anything.
    Last edited by OnBaseMachine; 09-19-2009 at 10:59 PM.

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Stubbs just popped HR #8, this one to CF. It appeared to me the stroke was entirely powerless, and the ball carried by chance in a current of luck to a fortuitous location.
    Stupid fortuity. Why must it keep fortuiting on Stubbs? Fortuitiously.

    At some point, the homeruns have to mean SOMEthing, right?

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    I'm generally on the side of jojo and highlifeman with regard to minor league stats. I do believe they mean something. However, there are always two caveats for me:

    1. Projection
    2. Maturation

    Stubbs has always been projected as having power. That is something that sticks out when he goes on this kind of a tear. But moreso, while minor league stats do mean something when determining a player's ability, the important thing to remember is physical maturity and peak production does not occur until 27-29 years old most often. So minor league stats can always be expected to be improved on as a player plays more and more at this level.

    In other words: minor league stats are a great starting point, but probably not the most accurate in determining a player's true skill level as an established major leaguer or, moreso, automatically assuming regression if a player starts to out-perform those rates once getting to the majors. Perhaps initially there could be some regression, but I fully believe over time, if the player is good enough to stick, you'll see improvement.
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Maybe Stubbs is the RH RBI power bat for the middle of the lineup that the Reds need?
    "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -- Albert Einstein

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    He got erased on a DP, but he also worked a nice walk in the 8th as well.

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    Maybe Stubbs is the RH RBI power bat for the middle of the lineup that the Reds need?
    Such a troublemaker. It's almost like you're trying to make me look good.
    "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    Maybe Stubbs is the RH RBI power bat for the middle of the lineup that the Reds need?
    He is on pace for over 40 homeruns!
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Stubbs is awesome.

    He's having an oddly fantastic MLB debut. I hope he has an amazing year as the starter in CF in 2010.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    I'm generally on the side of jojo and highlifeman with regard to minor league stats. I do believe they mean something.
    Everyone in this debate believes they mean something.

    The question is, do they mean everything re: Stubbs?
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    Stubbs is awesome.

    He's having an oddly fantastic MLB debut. I hope he has an amazing year as the starter in CF in 2010.
    Did you pick up Stubbs???
    "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Stubbs' performance shows you what happens when you let a guy mature in the minors.

    22 and 23 year olds are usually going to struggle breaking in. Bailey. Bruce. Maybe Francisco. Eventually they will get there, but they have been given major league trials very young.

    Stubbs is almost 25. He played big time college ball at Texas and then worked through the minors. He had almost a full year at AAA.

    He has tremendous athletic ability, but the real key is that he's readier than some of the others. He's showing it.

    His minor league numbers mean zero to me. He always had the power, but obviously shortened up, working on his contact, in the high minors. Now he's back to his usual style and the power is coming through.

    I give Doug Dirt credit. He always stuck with Stubbs in the minor league forum. When you consider Stubbs' fielding prowess, this is quite a good young player.
    Last edited by Kc61; 09-19-2009 at 11:13 PM.

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Give Janish and Stubbs 600 PA a piece in the same season, and Janish's numbers won't be that much worse than Stubbs'.

    2010 will probably be that season. Stay tuned.
    At this point, I'm actually loving the Drew Stubbs putdowns. It seems like the more you trash the guy, the more home runs he hits and the better numbers he puts up. I wonder if he reads your posts before each game.

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post

    I give Doug Dirt credit. He always stuck with Stubbs in the minor league forum. When you consider Stubbs' fielding prowess, this is quite a good young player.

    Credit? Are you serious? Dougdirt thought he might hit 15 to 20 homers per year... He could do that in a month.
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    At this point, I'm actually loving the Drew Stubbs putdowns. It seems like the more you trash the guy, the more home runs he hits and the better numbers he puts up. I wonder if he reads your posts before each game.
    Then with the best interests of Drew Stubbs and the Reds in mind, I'll keep trashing him so he keeps hitting homers.

    I guess I need to start trashing his ridiculously crappy MLB OBP so that he remembers how to find 1B via other ways than his crappy AVG.

    Dear Drew,

    Please stop watching strikes. Swing at stuff in the zone, rather than let it go by, and also improve your BB:K ratio.

    Love,

    Highlifeman21

    PS - While you're at it, would it kill you to hit more doubles?

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    As Stubbs continues to hit HR, I hear the people (including myself) keep repeating "small sample size, small sample size, small sample size..." Actually, I'm starting to think that maybe the scouts were right all along: Stubbs' power is legit and it is showing up now that he's no longer shortening his swing. Maybe all of this statistical performance and projection stuff is crap? Just sayin' it--not really believin' it.
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