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    Jocketty on CF, SS and more
    Posted by jfay September 19th, 2009, 2:06 pm

    I talked to Walt Jocketty about 2010 for my Sunday Insider for the paper.

    Jocketty always plays things close to the vest, but he indicated that the Reds are likely to go with what they’ve got, i.e., Drew Stubbs as the center fielder, Paul Janish as the shortstop and some combination of the current players in left field and at catcher.

    Asked if Stubbs is the center fielder for 2010, Jocketty said:

    “I think based on what we’ve seen,” Jocketty said, “we have to give him that opportunity. We’ll see how he finishes up this year and what happens over the winter. But he’s given us a strong indication that he might be able to do that. He’s had a long test.”

    If that’s the case, Willy Taveras becomes a very expensive ($4 million) extra outfielder.

    Jocketty gave Janish a slightly less enthusiastic endorsement as the shortstop for ‘10.

    “I don’t know,” Jocketty said. “Janish has played great defensively. I’ve seen a lot of championship clubs that have had shortstops that have the defensive ability he has and weren’t known for their hitting but provide enough offense to be an everyday player.

    “Assuming we have enough offense in other positions. I’ve said all along that what I wanted to try to do is improve defense. I think our infield defense is as good as it’s been in a long time. That’s very important. Ask our pitchers. They’re extremely happy.”

    The club has an $8.5 million option on catcher Ramon Hernandez. It’s hard to imagine that fitting in the budget.

    “That has not been decided,” Jocketty said. “It’s a pretty big option. We have to look what all of the alternatives are and decide. Again, these are things that will take place in the month or so after the season.

    “We’ve certainly talked about it. But they’ve just been preliminary discussions.

    Injuries to Hernandez and Ryan Hanigan forced the Reds to use their catching depth. Craig Tatum and Corky Miller, the starter and backup at Triple-A, were the starter and the backup for the Reds for three weeks.

    Jocketty liked what he saw.

    “Hanigan’s played well,” he said. “Tatum has too. Corky’s done a good job. Our catching has been as good as any in the league with the depth.”

    But offensively, the Reds haven’t gotten a lot out of Tatum (.169), Miller (.128) or Hanigan (nine RBI).

    The Reds could refuse the option on Hernandez and try to bring him back at a lower salary. But given the likely lack of payroll flexibility, they might not be able to make him a reasonable offer.

    There is no shortage of candidates to fill the left field job. If you took a survey of fans, Jonny Gomes would win.

    Gomes has been one of the surprises of the season. Gomes has 20 home runs and 49 RBI in 262 at-bats.

    The Reds haven’t talked to him about next year.

    “That’s not unusual,” Jocketty said. “The season’s not over. He’s still under control for two more years. We haven’t talked to anybody about next year.”

    The Reds could offer Gomes arbitration. He said he would accept it.

    “We’re still working on our plans for next season. We want to finish this season first. Obviously, we recognize what he’s done for us this year. And we’d like to have him back.”

    Chris Dickerson, Wladimir Balentien and Laynce Nix have played well at times also.

    Juan Francisco, the 22-year-old who hit 27 home runs and drove in 93 runs in the minors, is in the picture for left as well.

    “We’ve got a lot of depth,” Jocketty said. “We’ve been working Francisco out in the outfield a little bit. We’ll probably bring him down for a week of Instructional League.

    “Outfield is not one of the areas that we’re concerned about.”

    “Again, we’d like to find a quality RBI man. Where that fits in, I don’t know. It could be outfield.”

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    Re: Jocketty on CF, SS and more

    Sounds like the AFL could be huge for Zack Cozart....

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    It should be an interesting offseason and last few weeks of this season. Quite frankly, anything that keeps Willy T out of the starting lineup improves this club a great deal without doing anything else, LOL
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    I really hope this was just lip service from Jocketty to The Fay.

    The Reds need a massive influx of talent for 2010 to even sniff .500.

    Janish is a great option for SS as long as we're adding plenty of offense around him. Unfortunately, if we're going with what's currently on the roster, we're only essentially upgrading from Taveras to Stubbs.

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    It seems to me Jocketty is thinking rationally on this. He does seem to comprehend that the defense was the first priority, but now they need to find ways to upgrade the offense a bit. More importantly, it seems he wants one big hitter in the middle of the lineup. Unfortunately it might be a basic economics issue that holds the Reds back from doing anything, but I like where Jocketty's thought process is (based on what he's saying here).
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    I wonder if they are downplaying their motives for the offseason.. Fans won't be surprised if they keep the same team now for 2010.. But if they make some surprise signings/deals then they could actually sell season tickets... We'll see
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    The Reds need a massive influx of talent for 2010 to even sniff .500.
    Then we will not sniff .500.

    Without being able to bring in talent via FA, it's hard to upgrade the talent level of any team. Trades tend to send talent for talent.

    But I don't agree that we need amagor influx of talent to sniff.500.

    We are on pace for about 74 wins this year. If Volquez hadn't gotten injured himself, we'd have sniffed .500 this year. To say nothing about long term injuries to Harang, Votto, Hernandez and others this year.

    If Harang and Arroyo can give us normal years and Cueto and Bailey keep improving we could easily be close to a .500 team next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    I wonder if they are downplaying their motives for the offseason.. Fans won't be surprised if they keep the same team now for 2010.. But if they make some surprise signings/deals then they could actually sell season tickets... We'll see
    It kind of seems that's what he was trying to accomplish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Then we will not sniff .500.

    Without being able to bring in talent via FA, it's hard to upgrade the talent level of any team. Trades tend to send talent for talent.

    But I don't agree that we need amagor influx of talent to sniff.500.

    We are on pace for about 74 wins this year. If Volquez hadn't gotten injured himself, we'd have sniffed .500 this year. To say nothing about long term injuries to Harang, Votto, Hernandez and others this year.

    If Harang and Arroyo can give us normal years and Cueto and Bailey keep improving we could easily be close to a .500 team next year.
    Agree completely. I think it's drastically overstating the position of this team to say it needs a "mega influx of talent."

    Simply upgrading 3B and CF to Rolen and Stubbs is already additional 3-4 wins of what would have been expected this year with the previous options. Assuming Bruce is even somewhat better this year, he could improve the club by another couple of wins. So hypothetically, simply finding an upgrade at shortstop, and the team is suddenly a .500 team or better, given the quality of the defense and pitching staff.

    Could it use an influx of ability on offense? Absolutely. But it's already a better-looking roster now than what it was earlier in the year.
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    Re: Jocketty on CF, SS and more

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    It seems to me Jocketty is thinking rationally on this. He does seem to comprehend that the defense was the first priority, but now they need to find ways to upgrade the offense a bit. More importantly, it seems he wants one big hitter in the middle of the lineup. Unfortunately it might be a basic economics issue that holds the Reds back from doing anything, but I like where Jocketty's thought process is (based on what he's saying here).
    Jocketty's big hitters in the middle of the lineup are Votto and Rolen. Gomes is a maybe in that department.

    Right now, Dickerson's the only true leadoff option, and then we're stuck with Hanigan who has the OBP of a #2 hole guy but will be buried at the bottom of the lineup, when we have guys batting 1 and 2 that need to bat either 7th or 8th.

    And then there's Phillips, who has no business in the middle of the order vs RHP, but has a place in the middle of the lineup vs LHP.

    We just need better hitters than the defensive first roster we currently have.

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    Re: Jocketty on CF, SS and more

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Then we will not sniff .500.

    Without being able to bring in talent via FA, it's hard to upgrade the talent level of any team. Trades tend to send talent for talent.

    But I don't agree that we need amagor influx of talent to sniff.500.

    We are on pace for about 74 wins this year. If Volquez hadn't gotten injured himself, we'd have sniffed .500 this year. To say nothing about long term injuries to Harang, Votto, Hernandez and others this year.

    If Harang and Arroyo can give us normal years and Cueto and Bailey keep improving we could easily be close to a .500 team next year.
    We most likely won't see Volquez at all in 2010.

    Hernandez most likely won't be a Red next year.

    Hopefully Votto plays a full season.

    Who knows what we'll get from Arroyo? 1st half Arroyo? 2nd half Arroyo? Mix between the two?

    What about Cueto's health concerns?

    Seems like if we fast forwarded this current team to Opening Day 2010, we'd need a return to career norms for the guys that have underperformed in 2008 or 2009, as well as fully healthy and overly productive years from the rest of the roster.

    Seems like too much keeping the fingers crossed, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Jocketty's big hitters in the middle of the lineup are Votto and Rolen. Gomes is a maybe in that department.

    Right now, Dickerson's the only true leadoff option, and then we're stuck with Hanigan who has the OBP of a #2 hole guy but will be buried at the bottom of the lineup, when we have guys batting 1 and 2 that need to bat either 7th or 8th.

    And then there's Phillips, who has no business in the middle of the order vs RHP, but has a place in the middle of the lineup vs LHP.

    We just need better hitters than the defensive first roster we currently have.
    And Jocketty also acknowledged he'd like a (middle-of-the-order) RBI guy.

    I don't know why Stubbs is not a "true leadoff option." Certainly a 300 OBP is not the mold of a leadoff hitter. So right now, his production at this level early on might not be the prototype table-setter. But by your own admission you expect the OBP to come back up and Stubbs certainly did display adequate ability to get on base in the minors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeatherC1212 View Post
    It should be an interesting offseason and last few weeks of this season. Quite frankly, anything that keeps Willy T out of the starting lineup improves this club a great deal without doing anything else, LOL
    I was thinking just the opposite because Jocketty seems to signaling that we're gonna hear a lot of crickets from a Reds perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I was thinking just the opposite because Jocketty seems to signaling that we're gonna hear a lot of crickets from a Reds perspective.
    That was my take on it too. Basically he said that he doesn't intend to make moves on the margins. He's going to try to build a big bat, but he wants to build on our solid defense and will start with our internal options. Frankly, I think he's taking the right approach, but I doubt he'll be willing to do what it takes in terms of salary or talent to get that LF.
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    Re: Jocketty on CF, SS and more

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    And Jocketty also acknowledged he'd like a (middle-of-the-order) RBI guy.

    I don't know why Stubbs is not a "true leadoff option." Certainly a 300 OBP is not the mold of a leadoff hitter. So right now, his production at this level early on might not be the prototype table-setter. But by your own admission you expect the OBP to come back up and Stubbs certainly did display adequate ability to get on base in the minors.
    I've admitted I expect Stubbs' OBP to improve, and hopefully well above .350.

    What I find most interesting about Young Stubbs right now is that his SLG is .050 higher than usual, while his OBP is .050 lower than usual. For Stubbs to be effective and provide offensive value to the Reds, he needs that OBP well North of .350 and once on base needs to have a SB% of above 80%.

    Right now, Stubbs isn't providing offensive value to the Reds, especially as a leadoff hitter.

    I think a middle of the order RBI guy is a waste of time for Jocketty to pursue if he's not going to get some table-setter OBP guys for the lineup. Guys have to be on base in order to get knocked in, no?


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