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    2010 batting order

    Stubbs CF
    Rolen 3B
    Votto 1B
    Phillips 2B
    Bruce RF
    Platoon LF
    ?????? C
    Janish SS

    Stubbs is the future lead-off man so might as well let him stay there. You could go Dickerson in a platoon situation if he is healthy but I still like Stubbs here.

    Rolen in the 2-hole is interesting. He is a veteran hitter who knows how to work the count which also helps with Stubbs and the running game. I don't think he is the power hitter he was but is a smart hitter.

    Votto is our best hitter and therefore in the 3-hole.

    Phillips has improved in the 4-hole this year but I'm not against switching Rolen and Phillips (thoughts).

    I struggle with putting Bruce this high with his low average but I do like what I have seen from him in the last week or so. If he can become the player he was projected to be, this is the spot for him. It certainly is not a given he is ever going to be that guy however.

    I think LF is a definite platoon situation next year unless we make a big trade. Gomes/Dickerson anyone??

    Catcher/7-hole. If we are able to resign Hernandez for a lower $$ then he moves up in the line-up. If we go with Hannigan/Tatum/Miller, then 7th is the highest they can bat.

    Janish's glove has won me over but he is a 7/8 hitter not a 2. Come on Dusty get a clue please.

    Don't trade pitching for anyone. Do consider trading some of our other younger players as we don't seem to have a defensive position for all of them.

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    Re: 2010 batting order

    The biggest problem this offense has is lack of OBP. Dickerson has got to be the everyday centerfielder. Notice his OBP. Everyone seems to forget the guy or count him only as a 4th outfielder.

    At least, I play him against right handers and Stubbs only against left handers. Go out and get a productive left fielder to make up for lost offense at SS with Janish

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    Remember, according to The Dusty, Jay Bruce is no lock to man RF in 2010......

    we can speculate all winter, but who knows what this mental midget numb skull manager of ours will do come opening day 2010. It's a long ways off isn't it.
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    Re: 2010 batting order

    I was gonna chime in about the Rolen/Phillips 2nd/4th positioning, and how Phillips has upped his game enough this year such that I wouldn't mind giving him and his speed a shot in the 2 hole.

    Then I looked at the stats: he only brought the OBP up about 20 points. And some of that comes from his BA going up; he'd really have to add 15-or-so BB next year (basically over-improving upon this year's improvements) before I'd see him as a #2. What Phillips HAS done remarkably well this year is slash his K-rate, but that alone doesn't make him a #2.

    Then I also checked out Rolen and realized just how anemic his power numbers have been for some time. And yet: he's a career .370 OBP guy who is OBP'ing .368 this year, and can "handle the bat," as the saying goes. Having a situational hitter like that in the 2-hole is a good idea, I've decided. Having Phillips and his more SLG-driven OPS (and hopefully with some decent threats behind him to drive him in if he can get on and move himself over to 2nd or 3rd) makes a ton of sense in the clean-up spot.

    So let's stick with that the way it is, and forget I was under the misapprehension they should be flipped.

    Assuming we're stuck with what we got in the outfield, I also find myself agreeing that Dickerson should be looked at as more than just a 150 AB throw-away 4th OF.... I'm massively uncomfortable with the idea of Stubbs/Tavarez manning CF, with Dickerson relegated to spot work in LF. For one: Willy shouldn't see 100 AB next year. I don't care what we're paying him. For two: we resign Gomes, and he should be CLOSE to an everyday LF. His splits this year are almost righty/lefty neutral, so a pure platoon makes no sense there. Let him play. Rest him on particularly bad match-ups versus certain righties, if you want, but unless he just starts stinking it up next year, we should want to see him getting a minimum of 450 ABs.

    Dickerson can certainly play some in CF; make it a "hot-hand" issue between him and Stubbs, with whoever's in leading off (and if Tavarez gets a spot start, bat him 8th). And while I think the idea of writing Bruce off is silly (in his Age 22 Season, he's OPS'ing .820-ish versus righties), you can certainly mess around with the idea of giving him days off here and there if he continues to stink it up versus lefties and squeezing Dickerson in that way.

    Obviously, I'd have more fun making out a batting order if I could have access to that one bona fide everyday OF (instead of 4 who have a lot of potential, but who could -- one or all -- be utterly inadequate if they don't perform as well as or better than this year) or a SS who wasn't an 8-slot offensive black-hole to give us more options for an OBP/SPEED combo in the 1/2 spots, but if we go with what we got, then the original poster's line-up (with a few day-to-day tweaks for match-ups and upping Dickerson's load) is about as good as we can do, I think.


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    Re: 2010 batting order

    Are you guys kidding me?You all know Dusty is going to be back next year right? Here's how it goes.

    1.CF
    2.SS
    3.1B
    4.2b
    5.3b
    6.RF
    7.LF
    8.C
    9.P

    There might be a little wiggle room between 5th and 7th but that's it.Sorry.

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    Re: 2010 batting order

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Hook View Post
    Are you guys kidding me?You all know Dusty is going to be back next year right? Here's how it goes.

    1.CF
    2.SS
    3.1B
    4.2b
    5.3b
    6.RF
    7.LF
    8.C
    9.P

    There might be a little wiggle room between 5th and 7th but that's it.Sorry.
    You mean Votto is going to bat 7th when Alonso lifts the entire world on his shoulders in Spring Training and makes the team? Respect dude!
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    Re: 2010 batting order

    I think one of the OF will be traded to free up some of the cloggage. Dickerson seems like a likely candidate.
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    Re: 2010 batting order

    Quote Originally Posted by JayBruce32 View Post
    Remember, according to The Dusty, Jay Bruce is no lock to man RF in 2010......

    we can speculate all winter, but who knows what this mental midget numb skull manager of ours will do come opening day 2010. It's a long ways off isn't it.
    What has Jay Bruce done to prove he's an everyday starter in the majors?

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    Re: 2010 batting order

    Quote Originally Posted by DTCromer View Post
    What has Jay Bruce done to prove he's an everyday starter in the majors?
    With his .299 OBP and 20 HR he is a proven nonbaseclogger.He has to play everyday.

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    Re: 2010 batting order

    Absolutely right about Dickerson, but I would not put a lefthander in left field. It is like having a lefthander at third. Everything is backwards for them. It is one reason Dickerson had problems this year I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTCromer View Post
    What has Jay Bruce done to prove he's an everyday starter in the majors?
    I'm being serious. You can't start Jay in RF just because he's Jay Bruce.

    Also, I'd like to say I was wrong about Dickerson. he SHOULD be our everyday starter in CF or LF. . .or RF. . . where ever. Actually, now that I think about it, I wouldnt' mind him starting in RF and Stubbs in center. GO ahead and have stubbs leadoff and Dickerson 2nd. . . but he should be playing everyday IMO or at least given the chance.

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    Re: 2010 batting order

    Quote Originally Posted by JayBruce32 View Post
    I think one of the OF will be traded to free up some of the cloggage. Dickerson seems like a likely candidate.
    Stubbs and Bruce have plenty of options left, I'm sure we will hear about those in the spring.

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    Re: 2010 batting order

    Phillips needs to hit 2!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhillipsHead View Post
    Phillips needs to hit 2!!!!
    Definitely, he fits the Duhsty mold, can't get on base but he's fast, so put him at the top of the lineup.
    At least he's marginally better than Janish at getting on base.

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    Re: 2010 batting order

    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Absolutely right about Dickerson, but I would not put a lefthander in left field. It is like having a lefthander at third. Everything is backwards for them. It is one reason Dickerson had problems this year I believe.
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