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    John Fay thinks WT may be DFA

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    Question from Steve: My question is about the Redsí current view of Willy Taveras. Do you think they will let him come to spring training and try to win the job from Drew Stubbs and Chris Dickerson, or do you think the Reds will try to move him in the offseason? Do you perceive a split between the way Dusty Baker and Walt Jocketty view Taveras? My sense, from afar, is that as long as WT is around, Baker will play him too much. Iím not naive in thinking the Reds could get anything back for Taveras. They would have to trade him, along with paying part of his salary to interest any team. But my feeling (hope) is that is what they will do, just to take the controversy and temptation away.

    Answer: I think Taveras was Jockettyís guy. But Baker loves the idea of speed at the top of lineup. I donít think anyone thought Taveras would hit as little as he did or be as rough defensively. I think they would trade in a second if they could. But his $4 million salary makes that difficult. The center field job is Drew Stubbsí to lose. The problem with Taveras is he doesnít fit as a bench player. He has no power. He only plays center. I wouldnít be surprised to see him designated for assignment.
    OK, which one of you is Steve?

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    Re: Jhno Fya thinks WT may be DFA

    I think Fay's answer that Taveras was Jocketty's guy and not Dusty's guy really is interesting. If that's the case, I don't worry about Stubbs losing playing time to him.
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    Re: Jhno Fya thinks WT may be DFA

    I'm still amazed that Taveras was Jocketty's guy. Then again, I suppose he did run Tony Womack and David Eckstein out there time and time again with the Cards...
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    Re: Jhno Fya thinks WT may be DFA

    CF is Drew Stubbs's to lose?

    First time I've heard that.

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    Re: Jhno Fya thinks WT may be DFA

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    CF is Drew Stubbs's to lose?

    First time I've heard that.
    I've been under that impression for awhile actually. I feel like both Walt and Dusty intimated as much near the end of the season. He's cheap, he's a great defender, he looks like a average hitter with potential for more, and he has nothing more to learn in the minors. I think it is sink or swim time for Stubbs.
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    Re: Jhno Fya thinks WT may be DFA

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    I've been under that impression for awhile actually. I feel like both Walt and Dusty intimated as much near the end of the season. He's cheap, he's a great defender, he looks like a average hitter with potential for more, and he has nothing more to learn in the minors. I think it is sink or swim time for Stubbs.
    Nothing more to learn in the minors?

    His MiLB OPS begs to differ...

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    Re: Jhno Fya thinks WT may be DFA

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Nothing more to learn in the minors?

    His MiLB OPS begs to differ...
    I agree with you here, I'm not convinced Stubbs is ready for this gig.

    But I'd MUCH rather see him there than Willy T, and I don't know how much Dickerson can give either. A Dickerson/Stubbs platoon would work best for me. Either way, I'm hoping for the best from the CF position, but I'm expecting it to be below average again.

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    Re: Jhno Fya thinks WT may be DFA

    Obviously, Wily had a horrible year last season. Next season, both Stubbs and Dickerson seem to be better options.

    However, given how thin the OF still is, if we are paying for Wily anyway, why not keep him as a bench player? At least keep him on the roster until we get the OF filled out.
    IIRC, the status of Gomes and Nix is still up in the air.

    Note, I am not saying that Wily should start, but since we are paying for him anyhow, he can fill the Darrel McDonald role (5th OF).
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    Re: Jhno Fya thinks WT may be DFA

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Obviously, Wily had a horrible year last season. Next season, both Stubbs and Dickerson seem to be better options.

    However, given how thin the OF still is, if we are paying for Wily anyway, why not keep him as a bench player? At least keep him on the roster until we get the OF filled out.
    IIRC, the status of Gomes and Nix is still up in the air.

    Note, I am not saying that Wily should start, but since we are paying for him anyhow, he can fill the Darrel McDonald role (5th OF).
    I think this off season will be similar to last years, in which a lot of 4th and 5th type outfielders are not offered arbitration. Heck even some starters won't be offered arbitration due to financial reasons. If the Reds aren't able to sign two players to minor league deals with an offer to spring training that aren't better than WT, I will be disappointed.

    You have Stubbs, Dickerson, and Bruce under contract for next year, right? I imagine Gomes will be kept and hopefully the 5th OF job is Heisey's to lose. Even if Heisey plays poorly during the spring, he should offer relief as the first player up from AAA.

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    If wishing made it so.
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    Re: Jhno Fya thinks WT may be DFA

    I'd like to see a swap of bad contracts with the Royals, who need a CF. We send them Taveras and get RP Farnsworth in return. Taveras is due $4 million in 2010, Farnsworth $5 million. The contracts are close enough to consider a wash, since we could probably put Farnsworth to some constructive use in the bullpen. At the same time, we really have little need to retain Taveras on the roster with the emergence of Stubbs and Dickerson's value as a 4th outfielder and/or potential platoon partner with Stubbs.

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    Re: Jhno Fya thinks WT may be DFA

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    CF is Drew Stubbs's to lose?

    First time I've heard that.
    How come no one remembers this?

    General manager Walt Jocketty said last week that Stubbs is likely to be the center fielder in 2010.

    “I think based on what we’ve seen,” Jocketty said, “we have to give him that opportunity. We’ll see how he finishes up this year and what happens over the winter. But he’s given us a strong indication that he might be able to do that. He’s had a long test.”
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    Re: Jhno Fya thinks WT may be DFA

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Dusty made a similar comment too. I'm not sure why it's surprising to hear Stubbs might be considered the incumbent going into next year. The Reds have telegraphed their vision for that situation several times the past few weeks.
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    Re: Jhno Fya thinks WT may be DFA

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    How come no one remembers this?
    I remember it just fine but if Stubbs doesn't have a good ST, he may be headed back to LOU.
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    Re: Jhno Fya thinks WT may be DFA

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I remember it just fine but if Stubbs doesn't have a good ST, he may be headed back to LOU.
    If he looks lost then maybe he should go back to Louisville.


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