I was watching Rehab (at the hard rock cafe) the other day and some girl went nuts on a customer for only tipping her 200-300 dollars. I can't stand it when people think they are ENTITLED to a certain amount of tip money. I don't believe in the %s. Just because I picked out a more expensive meal doesn't mean I should tip you more. Now, if there are more people at the table, then sure. The "standard" tip should be X amt of dollars per person instead of 20% of the total bill, IMO.
The product isn't just the food. The food, the atmosphere, and the service are all a package deal. Restaurant owners and managers want patrons to have the best possible experience so that they will keep coming back.Originally Posted by dougdirt
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People must go to restaurants for different reasons than I do. I go to eat good food. I could care less about an 'atmosphere' as long as the place is clean. And the product is just the food. I can order it to go, or go through a drive through or curb side pickup.... and well, I don't get a discount for doing so. It is the same price, without the 'experience' or 'atmosphere'.
Start dining at spots that cost more than $12 a plate and you'll get what he was saying....You said "curb-side"... say no more...
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Only the people in the room will know if the service was really so bad that the wait staff deserved to work for them for free.... or whether these were a bunch of freeloaders who are trying to get off on the cheap.
Tipping is a cultural thing and more prevalent in some communities than others. I lived near the Lehigh Valley for a year and it isn't what I would characterize as polite society. "Mandatory gratuities" aren't necessary in communities where you have a baseline amount of non-freeloaders, but they might be necessary in certain classes of restaurant in Bethlehem, PA.
For me to pay less than 15%, the server has to be flat out hostile. If the service is bad, I might tell them so. I might not come back. But I still pay them. If the checkout lady is rude to me at Target, I don't get to demand that $5 be deducted from her paycheck and applied to my bill.
Likewise, if I have a lousy day at work, I expect that there might be repercussions. Maybe I'll get fired. But I'm damn sure gonna get paid.
Stick to your guns.
Whats the average money a waiter makes per hour anyways? Not counting tips.
The owner of the establishment is an idiot for even letting it get to a point where there is a court date....
BTW, gratuities should never be demanded...
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Around 12 years ago, I believe it was $2.13 an hour, and they had to pay taxes on a certain amount of tips whether they got them or not. They aren't entitles to minimun wage, and they do side work before and after waiting tables that doesn't get them tipped.
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And some have to split their tip with the hostess/host, the bartender, the bus staff, and that also can include the cook/chef and the manager.
My son works at a restaurant where they put the "mandatory" 18% for parties over 6 on the menu.
He says that every so often people don't pay it. The manager then knocks the bill down 10-15% so the wait staff still gets their tip.
There is a large group dynamic where people think that a larger tip makes up for a lesser percentage tip, e.g. the waiter/waitress should be happy with a $20 tip on a $200 bill. Or, they think someone else in the group will tip so they don't have to. Or (and I've had this happen too often) everyone skips out on the bill and leaves the last poor slob there to pay the whole bill.
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The food isn't worth it at places like that. And regardless of where I eat, or anyone for that matter.... you are paying for the food a whole lot more than anything else (except maybe a place like Hooters).Start dining at spots that cost more than $12 a plate and you'll get what he was saying....
Depending on some hooters you tip for the extra service
My sentiments exactly. It appears to me that both sides broke the "contract". Yet only one gets charged.
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Now that's worthy of a jail sentence....
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I'd think that the staff would hate it too...I routinely tip 25 to 30%....
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