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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Borkowski View Post
    Here is a pretty good summary of how things now stand for Tiger Woods. Amazing how fast events can reshape the way a celebrity is perceived.


    http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=9284989



    Trouble in the Tiger Den: What Can Woods Do to Save Reputation?
    Tiger Woods Remains Silent as Women Allege Affairs, Wife Mulls Options
    He missed the boat on saving some face. He could've come out right away with a press conference where he admitted all of his 'transgressions' ... all of them. But that's not Tiger's style, and he left it up to the blogosphere and media to rummage through the trash and put the pieces together.

    Too late, now. He's probably destined for 60 Minutes (ala Clinton) or a cry session on Oprah.
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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by MWM View Post
    But if he just goes about his business and makes the occasinal plea that he's changed and learned from mistakes, people (especially the "golf" crowd) will not buy it.
    I think that was the original plan but it has snowballed way past that.

    I think the biggest problem he's going to have is there's no way around stopping with the filandering, single or married. He's going to have to stop cold turkey with the sexual encounters because there's no way he'll be able to keep it private. And THAT will be incredibly difficult I believe.
    the only way is to have someone with him to steer him from danger ... kinda like Josh Hamilton.
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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    My prediction on the next "lover" to be reveled.

    The devil made him do it.
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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

    That's not sustainable, IMO. At some point he has to take reponsibility for his own decisions. Having someone to help early on could be helpful, but if he doesn't fix himself it's just a matter of time.
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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    IMO, he will need to hire a full time assistant whose job description is job will be to keep Tiger from getting in situations that could compromise him.
    John Daly has some spare time these days.

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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post
    John Daly has some spare time these days.

    Speaking of which...

    http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/blog/de...rn=golf,207433
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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

    I think everyone underestimates the fickle world of public relations. Once he is able to find the reason for folks to be sympathetic, all will be forgotten. Kobe is a great example, btw. For goodness sakes, Michael Jackson was a child molester, and he still had a solid fan base, which has now become even stronger posthumously.

    In our culture, all you really have to do to return to idol status is apologize (even if its disingenuous), take some level of responsbility, find someone else to blame for the bulk of the behavior, and you're off and running.

    Or, in the case of Michael Jackson, die.

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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post
    John Daly has some spare time these days.
    I am sure that would work well. I read a Daly article by someone (don't remember who) and it he commented that once while interviewing Daly while he was scribbling notes Long John started laughing, he looked up to notice that Daly had taken Bertha out of the bag and was stroking it in front of Him.

    Actually a "Long John on the Road with Tiger" reality show would probably be the top rated TV show of all time.
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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    I think everyone underestimates the fickle world of public relations. Once he is able to find the reason for folks to be sympathetic, all will be forgotten. Kobe is a great example, btw. For goodness sakes, Michael Jackson was a child molester, and he still had a solid fan base, which has now become even stronger posthumously.

    In our culture, all you really have to do to return to idol status is apologize (even if its disingenuous), take some level of responsbility, find someone else to blame for the bulk of the behavior, and you're off and running.

    Or, in the case of Michael Jackson, die.
    I think the Tiger marketing appeal is to an entirely different demographic than either Bryant or Jackson. The fact that Buick was one of his major sponsor through the years really highlights that fact.

    Tiger will still have commercial appeal, just not to the broad demographic he once had. I am sure sugardaddy.com would love to sign him up (I have been seeing those commercials on ESPNU).
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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    I usually don't care much for Reilly but thought this one presented some food for thought.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...ick&id=4727383

    IMO, he will need to hire a full time assistant whose job description is job will be to keep Tiger from getting in situations that could compromise him. Let's be honest if you want to avoid trouble the best way to do that is see it coming in the distance and change course to avoid it. This guy will be the person in the adjoining room. He has to have accountability to someone.

    There are some good ideas in there, and truthfully if he did them it would show him as being sorry.
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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    I think everyone underestimates the fickle world of public relations. Once he is able to find the reason for folks to be sympathetic, all will be forgotten. Kobe is a great example, btw. For goodness sakes, Michael Jackson was a child molester, and he still had a solid fan base, which has now become even stronger posthumously.

    In our culture, all you really have to do to return to idol status is apologize (even if its disingenuous), take some level of responsbility, find someone else to blame for the bulk of the behavior, and you're off and running.

    Or, in the case of Michael Jackson, die.
    That clever Michael Jackson, tricking us into liking him by dying!

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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    There are some good ideas in there, and truthfully if he did them it would show him as being sorry.

    If Tiger is truly remorseful about his behavior and wants the public and his family to forgive him, he must not only talk the talk of being a good and faithful husband and father but he must walk the walk too. That means actually being faithful to his wife. It'll be doubly tough for him now because you know any tabloid or magazine is going to have their photographers following him around just waiting to catch him with another woman. When you do something wrong and you vow never to do it again, it's common to eventually lapse into that behavior again. Hopefully Tiger can be as disciplined with his zipper as he is on the course.
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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

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    That clever Michael Jackson, tricking us into liking him by dying!
    Very Eddie Wilson of him.

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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    I am sure that would work well. I read a Daly article by someone (don't remember who) and it he commented that once while interviewing Daly while he was scribbling notes Long John started laughing, he looked up to notice that Daly had taken Bertha out of the bag and was stroking it in front of Him.

    Actually a "Long John on the Road with Tiger" reality show would probably be the top rated TV show of all time.
    Pretty sure it was Rick Reilly, in one of his latest books in the Daly chapter.

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    Re: Tiger Woods in serious condition after car wreck

    The evolution of the story continues:

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    Tiger Woods TV ads vanish after scandal

    By Brett Pulley and Michael Buteau
    Bloomberg News

    Advertisements featuring Tiger Woods have disappeared from prime-time broadcast television and many cable channels following reports of his extramarital affairs, according to data from Nielsen Co.

    The last prime-time ad featuring the 33-year-old golfer was a 30-second Gillette Co. spot ran on Nov. 29, according to New York- based Nielsen. Woods also was absent from ads on weekend sports programs tracked, including NFL games, Nielsen said.

    The No. 1 ranked golfer's standing with the public has plunged in the wake of reports of infidelity that followed a Nov. 27 car accident outside his home near Orlando, Fla. Woods' ranking among celebrity endorsers tumbled to 24th from 6th, according to the Davie Brown Index, which is used to gauge the ability of personalities to influence shoppers.

    "Near term, you've got to pull the ads," said Larry Novenstern, managing director at Optimedia, a New York-based unit of Publicis, the French advertising company. "A transgression of this type in his personal life is never good but if anyone can weather a storm, it's probably Tiger Woods."

    In addition to Procter & Gamble's Gillette, Woods has endorsement agreements with Accenture Plc, Nike Inc., PepsiCo Inc.'s Gatorade, Tag Heuer International SA watches and Electronic Arts Inc. None has said they've changed their marketing.

    Most marketers said they haven't withdrawn any ads. Gillette is running its media schedule as planned and no Tiger Woods ads have been pulled, said Mike Norton, a company spokesman. He wouldn't comment on the frequency of the ads.

    The Pac-10 pulled an advertisement featuring Woods, a Stanford alumnus, from the Dec. 3 Oregon-Oregon State college football game, Jim Muldoon, a conference spokesman, told CNBC. He didn't return a phone call or e-mail seeking comment.

    Mark Steinberg, Woods's agent, and Glenn Greenspan, a spokesman, didn't respond to phone messages and e-mails seeking comment.

    The golfer's $110 million in annual income from endorsements and tournaments, as estimated by Forbes magazine, hinges on his standing with consumers. Woods ranked as the world's fourth-highest paid celebrity in the 12 months through June 30, the magazine said. In October, he became the first athlete to top $1 billion in career earnings.

    Woods posted a statement on his Web site on Dec. 2 saying he let his family down with "transgressions" and hasn't been true to his "family values." He didn't address reports of infidelity.

    "If I was one of the advertisers who had Tiger as my pitchman I might want to rest it for a while until this stuff blows over," said Gary Carr, director of national broadcast at TargetCast tcm, a New York-based media buyer.

    Additional Facts
    Pepsi drops drink
    Gatorade is discontinuing its Tiger Woods drink but says it made the decision before the golfer's car accident led to a media firestorm surrounding his personal life.

    The decision to drop the drink, called Tiger Focus, was first reported by trade publication Beverage Digest in an issue dated Nov. 25, two days before the incident at Woods' home in Florida. The publication's editor, John Sicher, said he learned of the decision the week of Nov. 9.

    The brand - a unit of PepsiCo Inc. - says the decision does not have to do with recent events. A spokesman says the decision came several months ago.

    The drink debuted in March 2008.

    Beverage Digest estimates it represents less than 5 percent of Gatorade's volume. Sales volume of Tiger Focus was down 34 percent this year through October.

    The Associated Press

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