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    Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?

    I like Figgins for the M's, and the free agent market in general so far seems pretty rational. But it's early.
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    So the Mariners finally bit the bullet and released Figgins, who managed a .585 OPS (including back to back seasons hitting under .190) over 3 years with Seattle. Given that we have heard in the past scary rumors about the Reds being interested in him, I wouldn't be shocked to see Walt pick him up on a minor league deal.
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    I suspect the Reds are looking for a utility guy who can play SS, which probably takes Figgins off the table. I'd hope the Reds wouldn't offer him more than a ST invite.

    Figgins turned out to be one of the worst free agent signings ever. He's a reminder that playing in Seattle intensifies whatever flaws you might have as a hitter. He's also a poster boy for not splashing cash based on the one-year mirage effect of new age defensive stats (and if you do, at least play the guy at the position where he posted the stats).
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    Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?

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    I suspect the Reds are looking for a utility guy who can play SS, which probably takes Figgins off the table. I'd hope the Reds wouldn't offer him more than a ST invite.

    Figgins turned out to be one of the worst free agent signings ever. He's a reminder that playing in Seattle intensifies whatever flaws you might have as a hitter. He's also a poster boy for not splashing cash based on the one-year mirage effect of new age defensive stats (and if you do, at least play the guy at the position where he posted the stats).
    Figgins had been a significantly above average player in 5 of the 6 seasons he was a starter prior to hitting free agency. Seattle paid him as if they expected him to be a league average player during his time in Seattle.

    This was just one of those things that went horribly wrong for whatever reason.
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    Figgins had been a significantly above average player in 5 of the 6 seasons he was a starter prior to hitting free agency. Seattle paid him as if they expected him to be a league average player during his time in Seattle.

    This was just one of those things that went horribly wrong for whatever reason.
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    Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?

    So he did go to the Carousel !!

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    My favorite thing about RedsZone?

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    C'mon, jojo -- that's funny.
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    Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?

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    C'mon, jojo -- that's funny.
    Seconded.


    Still, I agree with your point. Figgins colossal collapse isn't a thing anyone could see coming.
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    Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Figgins had been a significantly above average player in 5 of the 6 seasons he was a starter prior to hitting free agency. Seattle paid him as if they expected him to be a league average player during his time in Seattle.

    This was just one of those things that went horribly wrong for whatever reason.
    There were plenty of reasons.

    1) He was a dead average hitter during his time with the Angels, generating more value with his legs than his bat. A guy like that heading into his 30s is generally a shaky investment.

    2) Outside of 2009 he never was a standout defender.

    3) Outside of 2009 he never posted a gaudy BB rate.

    4) Age and Safeco robbed him of what little power he had, and once that was gone pitchers overpowered him.

    As an aside, I certainly hope the Mariners didn't pay him $9 million a year to be average. Seattle had the worst offense in the AL in 2009 and needed to spend on players who could improve that sorry state of affairs.
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    Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?

    I would have been happy if the Reds had signed Figgins instead of Seattle, and I would have been wrong. While he would have had more success in Cincinnati than he did in Seattle, I would guess that he still would have been trending downward, and he wouldn't have been worth the money.

    He was a player I liked a lot at the time, though.
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    Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post


    C'mon, jojo -- that's funny.
    But I used alliteration and even made up a term. Mine was much closer to Shakespeare.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner


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