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    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    So we haven't brought anything up through our farm and we have nothing that will help us? Yikes, we are a bleak group, aren't we?
    It's more that prevailing wisdom was that the farm was "turned around" and ready for a healthy Indians/Rays/Twins production cycle. So far that train hasn't exactly run on time. I've long argued that the Reds need to start spinning the farm's straw into MLB-caliber gold, but it looks like the Reds are content to sit tight with the kids, who, by and large, are nowhere near ready for primetime.
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    Re: 2009 Winter Meetings thread

    Just read that Harden is signing a one year deal with Texas for $7.5M.
    "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

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    Re: 2009 Winter Meetings thread

    Our farm has producued a lot of talent in the last couple years. You can't build a team solely through the farm, you need trades and free agents too.

    In the last few years the farm has produced:

    Joey Votto
    Jay Bruce
    Johnny Cueto
    Homer Bailey
    Brandon Phillips (acquired for a prospect)
    Ryan Hanigan
    Drew Stubbs
    Chris Dickerson
    Carlos Fisher

    And Zach Stewart was used to trade bait to acquire Scott Rolen.

    With others like Juan Francisco, Todd Frazier, Yonder Alonso, Chris Heisey, Matt Maloney, Travis Wood, Enerio Del Rosario, and Logan Ondrusek only a phone call away from the majors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Our farm has producued a lot of talent in the last couple years. You can't build a team solely through the farm, you need trades and free agents too.

    In the last few years the farm has produced:

    Joey Votto
    Jay Bruce
    Johnny Cueto
    Homer Bailey
    Brandon Phillips (acquired for a prospect)
    Ryan Hanigan
    Drew Stubbs
    Chris Dickerson
    Carlos Fisher

    With others like Juan Francisco, Todd Frazier, Yonder Alonso, Chris Heisey, Matt Maloney, Travis Wood, Enerio Del Rosario, and Logan Ondrusek only a phone call away from the majors.
    Other than Votto, I don't see a single star there (you can't count Phillips). Some nice filler, and it was nice to see Cueto rebound last season instead of heading to the landfill, but that's not a bumper crop. And it's certainly not a bumper crop considering the draft position they've had for the last decade.

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    It's incredibly unrealistic to expect every prospect to turn into a star immediately. Jay Bruce looks like a future superstar, and Bailey and Cueto also have star potential. Not everyone develops on the same timeline. Joey Votto was more advanced than the others.

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    Re: 2009 Winter Meetings thread

    Pertinent to the latest point, Sheldon discusses the Reds farm system.
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    Re: 2009 Winter Meetings thread

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    Pertinent to the latest point, Sheldon discusses the Reds farm system.
    I read this article every offseason.

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    Re: 2009 Winter Meetings thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I read this article every offseason.
    Yeah, but this time it's different. This crop is better than the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    Yeah, but this time it's different. This crop is better than the others.
    There's one surefire metric to prove a farm's turned around: it's called a division title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    It's incredibly unrealistic to expect every prospect to turn into a star immediately. Jay Bruce looks like a future superstar, and Bailey and Cueto also have star potential. Not everyone develops on the same timeline. Joey Votto was more advanced than the others.
    Didn't Joey Votto spend a little more time in the minors than some of these other's ???

    Besides Nix, Tevaras, Patterson, Gomes, McDonald, and the Hairstons of the world take up the playing time from the younger players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    There's one surefire metric to prove a farm's turned around: it's called a division title.
    That also would be one surefire metric to prove a front office and cronies, ownership and their manager's were turned around. Hard to believe the farm would show up before getting the front office and cronies, ownership et el right.

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    Re: 2009 Winter Meetings thread

    Mariners sign Cory Patterson.

    Minor League deal with an invite to spring training.
    Last edited by Ron Madden; 12-09-2009 at 09:49 PM.

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    Re: 2009 Winter Meetings thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Spring~Fields View Post
    Didn't Joey Votto spend a little more time in the minors than some of these other's ???

    Besides Nix, Tevaras, Patterson, Gomes, McDonald, and the Hairstons of the world take up the playing time from the younger players.
    He was drafted around the age of 18 and from my limited observations about how the minor leagues work , it seems like he moved along pretty steadily through the system. The others are all a little younger than him so they came up through the minors a little faster but they still have a lot of potential, just not as much experience yet.
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    Re: 2009 Winter Meetings thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    Mariners sign Cory Patterson.

    Minor League deal with an invite to spring training.
    Excuse me while I go change my pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    Mariners sign Cory Patterson.

    Minor League deal with an invite to spring training
    .
    I wonder if he came highly recommended by JoJo and Raisor? I just bet he did.
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