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    Re: Big 10 looks for 12th team

    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Serafini View Post
    If there's a 12th team (and I really hope there isn't) it's going to come from the east. Penn St. has been begging for years to get another eastern team in so they have someone nearby, and there are more big TV markets to be had out east than going west.

    One school that's been tossed out multiple times on this thread that makes no sense to me is Iowa St. They play in a minuscule market, and competitively they would be a bottom feeder. To paraphrase Rick Pitino when he was with the Celtics, Marcus Fizer is not walking through that door. I'm feel very confident saying the 12th team won't be Iowa St.

    I could see it being Pitt. PSU is OK with it if JoePa is to be believed so that is a huge obstacle. They can still play WVU non conference every year.

    As far as ISU goes, as a former Iowan, I always thought that ISU to the Big 10 was just silly talk. I don't know if they have veto power but I think the University of Iowa would veto that idea. It's not really a good fit since ISU has more of an emphasis in agricultural, veterinary medicine and engineering. There's no law school there and the only medical degree you can get there is a doctor of veterinary medicine degree. Believe me, they are looking for more things than just athletics when they are trying to get a 12th team. And don't forget, they have been in the Big 12 since it was the Big 6. There's a lot of tradition there.

    I still have problems believing that any of the teams mentioned will join. I think the western schools mentioned like TCU and Boise St. are ridiculous suggestions. It's more than just football and basketball. It's tennis and golf and swimming and soccer and volleyball and even wrestling. Penn St. is isolated enough as it is, how do you think they are going to like going out to Boise for a soccer game with budgets being cut the way they have been? Would they go after any of the MAC schools? I'm thinking maybe Miami or Ohio U.
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    Re: Big 10 looks for 12th team

    Don't rule out Syracuse.

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    Re: Big 10 looks for 12th team

    Quote Originally Posted by jmcclain19 View Post
    I find it telling that despite almost playing for the NC this year, only one poster on this Cincinnati Board even bothered to mention the Bearcats as belonging in the Big 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsmith421 View Post
    Don't rule out Syracuse.
    Coach Boheim would have a fit if you moved Syracuse out of the Big East. He has a lot of pull with the admin. I honestly don't see a team from the Big East moving as the revenues from basketball are huge for these schools. Would the football revenue from the Big Ten offset what would be lost from basketball.

    Notre Dame would be a perfect fit as they don't belong to a conference, however they continue to maintain that beloning to a conference would hurt there recruiting as they like to recruit all four corners of the states.

    I wonder if we will ever get to a point where individual sports programs from schools will have different conference affiliation.
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    Re: Big 10 looks for 12th team

    I like Rutgers because they hail from the largest TV market and they wouldn't upset the balance of power in men's basketball or football. They've been mentioned in the past, but were left out of this article.

    In general I believe the direction the conference needs to expand is east, toward the coastal population centers, not west.
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    Re: Big 10 looks for 12th team

    University of Phoenix?

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    Re: Big 10 looks for 12th team

    Chip makes a good point, Iowa St and Missouri have been in the Big 8/12 since the 20's, makes much more sense to raid the big east again for a Pitt or Rutgers, Syracuse probably stays put.
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    Re: Big 10 looks for 12th team

    Quote Originally Posted by joshnky View Post
    I hope its Missouri because the musical chairs could be extremely interested. If Missouri goes to the Big Ten, then Arkansas to the Big 12, then _______ to the SEC, then .....

    Likely, nothing happens but that could be a major shake up that could impact every BCS conference except the Pac10.
    Highly unlikely Arkansas, or any school, would be leaving the SEC. The story I had always heard was if the Big Ten got Missouri or Iowa State (for years, the two most likely to go in this scenario), the Big 12 would make a strong push for Arizona, and then the Pac-10 would try to grab someone to replace 'Zona. TCU would likely be the best fit football-wise, but Pac-10 would probably like to have as high a profile as possible basketball-wise to replace Arizona in such a scenario.

    All that said, I still think a push for an eastern team makes more sense as well, they want to add a bigger population center/TV market and will "settle" for St. Louis if an eastern couldn't be met.
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    Re: Big 10 looks for 12th team

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    Coach Boheim would have a fit if you moved Syracuse out of the Big East. He has a lot of pull with the admin. I honestly don't see a team from the Big East moving as the revenues from basketball are huge for these schools. Would the football revenue from the Big Ten offset what would be lost from basketball.

    Notre Dame would be a perfect fit as they don't belong to a conference, however they continue to maintain that beloning to a conference would hurt there recruiting as they like to recruit all four corners of the states.

    I wonder if we will ever get to a point where individual sports programs from schools will have different conference affiliation.
    Yup, no chance it's Syracuse, the Big East is a cash cow when it comes to basketball.

    People whine about Big East football, the reality is the conference exists for basketball. They make a fortune on that side of it. The problem is they have painted themselves into a corner. They can't add anymore teams to improve the football side of things because the basketball portion of the Big East is already too big.

    They could start by booting out Notre Dame.

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    Sounds more and more like they will ask ND first and move on to Rutgers as plan B. It maks sense as the Big Ten wants to get into the NY TV market. More and more kids are coming out of NYC to play big time college football so this will help recruiting efforts for these teams.
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    Re: Big 10 looks for 12th team

    Quote Originally Posted by Javy Pornstache View Post
    Highly unlikely Arkansas, or any school, would be leaving the SEC. The story I had always heard was if the Big Ten got Missouri or Iowa State (for years, the two most likely to go in this scenario), the Big 12 would make a strong push for Arizona, and then the Pac-10 would try to grab someone to replace 'Zona. TCU would likely be the best fit football-wise, but Pac-10 would probably like to have as high a profile as possible basketball-wise to replace Arizona in such a scenario.

    All that said, I still think a push for an eastern team makes more sense as well, they want to add a bigger population center/TV market and will "settle" for St. Louis if an eastern couldn't be met.
    I think the most obvious one that I have heard was Mizzou to the B10 (new name?), Houston to the B12, then an overhaul of the MWC, adding Boise State, Fresno State, and Nevada, and making it a BCS Conference. If the B10 were to add Mizzou, I would see the alignment like this...

    East:
    Penn State
    Ohio State
    Michigan
    Michigan State
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    Indiana

    West:
    Missouri
    Iowa
    Wisconsin
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    Northwestern
    Illinois

    Obviously the East would be favored in football matchups with the big 3 there, but Iowa, Missouri, and Wisconsin (Illinois some years) could provide a formidable opponent. The problem with the North/South alignment is that OSU and Michigan would be in different divisions, and that won't happen. That would cause a possible rematch of The Game in the conference championship game, when (if?) Michigan returns to prominence, and that won't happen.
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    Re: Big 10 looks for 12th team

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    University of Phoenix?
    Well, they have their own football stadium, but I don't think they have a basketball arena. Thing is, they spent all of that money on a new football stadium, and have yet to play a game in it. I'm not sure why they even put seats in it, given that their fans would watch the games online rather than in person. Good thing the Cardinals are making use of it.

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    Re: Big 10 looks for 12th team

    Quote Originally Posted by macro View Post
    Well, they have their own football stadium, but I don't think they have a basketball arena. Thing is, they spent all of that money on a new football stadium, and have yet to play a game in it. I'm not sure why they even put seats in it, given that their fans would watch the games online rather than in person. Good thing the Cardinals are making use of it.
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    Re: Big 10 looks for 12th team

    Quote Originally Posted by jmcclain19 View Post
    That being said, I'd put money on it being Rutgers. Gives Big Ten the NYC TV market, and Rutgers is up and coming football power in a potentially huge market who has spent a ton of money recently on new digs and new facilities. Those don't pay for themselves.
    Rutgers would drag down the average considerably in both football and basketball. If being in the NYC media market is such an advantage, then why has Rutgers sucked for so long in both sports?
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    Re: Big 10 looks for 12th team

    Quote Originally Posted by Playadlc View Post
    Rutgers would drag down the average considerably in both football and basketball. If being in the NYC media market is such an advantage, then why has Rutgers sucked for so long in both sports?
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