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    Re: who's in left?

    Quote Originally Posted by dfs View Post
    He would fit right in with Wily T and Rolen.

    Glory Days....We would be paying players for great stats a couple of years ago and then hoping they recreate them.
    Please don't EVER include Scott Rolen in a comparison with Willy Taveras, Thank You.
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    Re: who's in left?

    Yeah, it's crazy to compare Scott Rolen to Willy Taveras. Taveras is arguably the worst player in baseball while Scott Rolen is an above average player. Mentioning those two in the same breath is a slap in the face to Rolen.

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    Re: who's in left?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I am fairly certain Stubbs/Heisey has long been decided. Stubbs is the guy who will be in CF because his glove is among the best in baseball.
    If Stubbs is in CF, it's definitely b/c of his glove and not b/c of his bat.

    Dickerson and Stubbs should platoon, with Stubbs only playing against LHP (although I don't remember him setting the world on fire against LHP in any of his splits).

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    Re: who's in left?

    OBM posted this on the Gomes thread. I guess one of these guys that Walt speaks of will be in left in some platoon situation.

    Jocketty open to bringing Gomes back
    Posted by jfay December 13th, 2009, 5:15 pm

    I finally caught up with Walt Jocketty after a day of phone tag. He said the club will continue to try to sign Jonny Gomes. The club did not tender Gomes a contract at the midnight Saturday deadline.

    I told Jonny last night that wed like to make it work and well try to do that, Jocketty said. We just didnt want to be locked in with arbitration.

    Jocketty continues to talk with Laynce Nixs agent as well.

    Were pretty close to getting something done on that, Jocketty said.


    He said he was intigued by some of the other clubs nontenders.

    I dont want to mention names yet, he said. I want to talk to Dusty (Baker) and see whos a good fit.

    I mentioned Alfredo Amezaga, who would seem to be a fit for the utility/shortstop role.

    Hes a good athlete, Jocketty said. Hes had trouble staying healthy.

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    Re: who's in left?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I am fairly certain Stubbs/Heisey has long been decided. Stubbs is the guy who will be in CF because his glove is among the best in baseball.
    i am ok with that. we don't know if either Stubbs or Heisey will hit a lick in the bigs. we do know Stubb's defense is fantastic & he has great speed.

    my point is that if we have decided Stubbs is our guy for CF then I would rather trade Hesiey to plug a hole elsewhere (say SS or even a SP better than Maloney) rather than use him in LF. we don't need his speed to cover LF and his bat just isn't going to be enough to justfy playing here. get a stopgap bat for LF until either Alonso or Francisco is ready rather than use Heisey here.
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    Re: who's in left?

    Stubbs will be the every day CF and will not platoon. Dickerson will get spot starts in CF when Stubbs needs a break.

    Bruce is locked into RF. He is another player that won't platoon. I just don't think you platoon a bat as dangerous as Bruce's. He needs to learn to become a better hitter but that is all in his development.

    Dickerson, Heisey, and Frazier should be the three going into spring training competing for the LF job. I would like to see a FA added to the mix but Holiday isn't coming so I don't see a big upgrade over what potentially is in house.

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    Re: who's in left?

    I guess you could always have Stubbs in CF full time and platton Dickerson and Heisey in LF instead of the other way around.

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    Re: who's in left?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    I guess you could always have Stubbs in CF full time and platton Dickerson and Heisey in LF instead of the other way around.
    Makes 'em even weaker against RHP.
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    Re: who's in left?

    McDonald?
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    Re: who's in left?

    Way I see it go with Balentin and Fransisco and Heisey combo's for OF along with Stubbs and Jay Bruce. fact is this teams not spending cash so best gamble with youth instead retread proven crap. PS wish Gomes was kept honestly.
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    Re: who's in left?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    McDonald?
    Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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    Re: who's in left?

    If Gomes and Nix was resigned as has been speculated in media interviews with Jocketty/Baker, which outfielder would go back to the minors or be released?

    Who would be in left?
    Code:
    2009		  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS	TPA 	2008		 BA   OBP  SLG  OPS	TPA 
    1.   Votto 	.322 .414 .567 .981  	544	1.   Votto 	.297 .368 .506 .874	589
    2.   Phillips 	.276 .329 .447 .776	644	2.   Phillips 	.261 .312 .442 .754	644
    3.   Balentien 	.264 .352 .427 .779	125	3.   Balentien 	.202 .250 .342 .592	260
    4.   Bruce 	.223 .303 .470 .773	387	4.   Bruce 	.254 .314 .453 .767	452
    5.   Rolen 	.270 .364 .401 .766	162	5.   Rolen 	.262 .349 .431 .780	467
    6.   Stubbs	.267 .323 .439 .762	196	6.   Stubbs MILB.277 .371 .417 .788	548
    7.   Dickerson 	.275 .370 .373 .743	299	7.   Dickerson 	.304 .413 .608 1.021	122
    8.   Hernandez	.258 .336 .362 .699	331	8.   Hernandez	.257 .308 .406 .714	507
    9.   Hanigan	.263 .361 .331 .692	293	9.   Hanigan	.271 .367 .365 .732	 98
    10.  Sutton 	.212 .297 .348 .646  	 76	10.  Sutton AA  .317 .408 .523 .931	606
    11.  Rosales	.213 .303 .317 .620  	266	11.  Rosales	.207 .233 .241 .475	 30
    12.  Janish	.211 .296 .305 .601	292	12.  Janish	.188 .270 .250 .520	 89
    13.  Tevaras 	.240 .275 .285 .559	437	13.  Tevaras 	.251 .308 .296 .604	538
    
    14. Nix  	.239 .291 .476 .767	337	14. Nix  	.083 .154 .083 .237	 13
    15. Gomes	.267 .338 .541 .879	314	15. Gomes	.182 .282 .383 .666	177
    15 players, 7 outfielders - I am not sure but I don’t think any of the outfielders can play the infield ??

    * player order above by 2009 OPS

    Side notes -
    A. A lot of players with OPS below .800 and a lot of players with OPS below .700 in 2009
    B. One could compare 2009 - 2008 OPS to see if there is an indicator of significant differences due to 2009 injuries, that might imply the Reds could be much better with given player x, y, or z in 2010
    Last edited by Spring~Fields; 12-15-2009 at 01:45 AM.

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    Re: who's in left?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spring~Fields View Post
    If Gomes and Nix was resigned as has been speculated in media interviews with Jocketty/Baker, which outfielder would go back to the minors or be released?

    Who would be in left?
    Code:
    2009		  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS	TPA 	2008		 BA   OBP  SLG  OPS	TPA 
    1.   Votto 	.322 .414 .567 .981  	544	1.   Votto 	.297 .368 .506 .874	589
    2.   Phillips 	.276 .329 .447 .776	644	2.   Phillips 	.261 .312 .442 .754	644
    3.   Balentien 	.264 .352 .427 .779	125	3.   Balentien 	.202 .250 .342 .592	260
    4.   Bruce 	.223 .303 .470 .773	387	4.   Bruce 	.254 .314 .453 .767	452
    5.   Rolen 	.270 .364 .401 .766	162	5.   Rolen 	.262 .349 .431 .780	467
    6.   Stubbs	.267 .323 .439 .762	196	6.   Stubbs MILB.277 .371 .417 .788	548
    7.   Dickerson 	.275 .370 .373 .743	299	7.   Dickerson 	.304 .413 .608 1.021	122
    8.   Hernandez	.258 .336 .362 .699	331	8.   Hernandez	.257 .308 .406 .714	507
    9.   Hanigan	.263 .361 .331 .692	293	9.   Hanigan	.271 .367 .365 .732	 98
    10.  Sutton 	.212 .297 .348 .646  	 76	10.  Sutton AA  .317 .408 .523 .931	606
    11.  Rosales	.213 .303 .317 .620  	266	11.  Rosales	.207 .233 .241 .475	 30
    12.  Janish	.211 .296 .305 .601	292	12.  Janish	.188 .270 .250 .520	 89
    13.  Tevaras 	.240 .275 .285 .559	437	13.  Tevaras 	.251 .308 .296 .604	538
    
    14. Nix  	.239 .291 .476 .767	337	14. Nix  	.083 .154 .083 .237	 13
    15. Gomes	.267 .338 .541 .879	314	15. Gomes	.182 .282 .383 .666	177
    15 players, 7 outfielders - I am not sure but I dont think any of the outfielders can play the infield ??

    * player order above by 2009 OPS

    Side notes -
    A. A lot of players with OPS below .800 and a lot of players with OPS below .700 in 2009
    B. One could compare 2009 - 2008 OPS to see if there is an indicator of significant differences due to 2009 injuries, that might imply the Reds could be much better with given player x, y, or z in 2010
    I'd guess Taveras and one of Sutton or Rosales would go down. If they don't have the guts to eat Taveras $, then maybe Balentien gets dealt for a PTBNL or cash (he might fetch some bucks from a Japanese team).
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

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    Re: who's in left?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    McDonald?
    He signed with Boston.

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    Re: who's in left?

    Maybe if the Dodgers REALLY want Harang, they'll take Taveras too.

    To me the outfield looks pretty cut and dried:
    Bruce in right and Stubbs in center every day until the Reds are ready to cut bait on them.
    Left field will be Heisey's to lose and Dickerson will get playing time resting all three starters. They're all young guys, so the more at bats they get the better...it's not about their performance, it's about their development. Ideally you don't develop your entire outfield at the same time, but the Reds will never have the ideal situation until the disparity in MLB is fixed.

    Of course, if they do manage to trade Harang and Taveras's salaries away, they might actually sign a decent left fielder for a year...who knows?

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