I'll concede Wayne may not have been what I thought he could be (we'll likely never know since he wasn't allowed to finish) but at the same time Walt is a step (really multiple steps) down from him in the most critical aspect and that is player evaluation which ultimately effects us in more ways than one and makes us a worse franchise overall because of it. Oh yeah and again the money issue is Bobs department not the fans concern so you call those contracts immovable I say why move them.
Last edited by Mario-Rijo; 12-31-2009 at 07:33 PM.
"You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one."
Mario-RijoCode:Aaron Harang 2006 $2,350,000 2007 $4,250,000 2008 $6,750,000 2009 $14,000,000 Bronson Arroyo 2006 $3,000,000 2007 $4,375,000 2008 $4,575,000 2009 $10,125,000 Francisco Cordero 2006 $4,125,000 2007 $5,425,000 2008 $8,625,000 2009 $12,125,000 * salaries source: ESPN
Walt Jocketty became general manager April 23, 2008
Why didn’t Walt Jocketty make deals for these players during the 2008 season or during the off season of 2008 - 2009 ?
To move them for better pitching, payroll adjustments, and or additional major league talent?
I don’t know the answer’s to any of those questions.
I believe that Mr. Jocketty was informed of the financial situation of the Reds going forward since he was the special advisor to the Reds on January 11, 2008.
“Why didn’t Walt Jocketty make deals for these players during the 2008 season or during the off season of 2008 - 2009 ? To move them for better pitching, payroll adjustments, and or additional major league talent?”
I think that Mr. Jocketty would know some of the Reds history throughout the decade of 2000, that the ownership does not tend to make large increases to payroll with their revenue base. We look it up, we know, surely Mr. Jocketty would, and be keeping that in mind as he looks forward, making his decisions. Right or wrong?
Seems one could argue that Mr. Jocketty wanted to hang on to experienced pitching, and that after he made the choice and decision to keep those pitchers for whatever reason, that they became his pitchers, and his contracts, and what he did or did not get in opportunity for them, is his.
Maybe he deserves more "credit" for these pitchers and them still being a payroll burden, more than we realize?
Walt Jocketty fired his pitching coach of the past several years and hired Price.
Did he think that his past pitching coach was ineffective and that a better pitching coach could have gotten more out of these and other pitcher’s. Would he be thinking that going into the 2010 season and beyond for these pitcher’s and other’s? If that is true, then, doesn’t keeping these pitcher’s make them his decision and choice, and making them his pitching and his contracts by his choice and decisions? Parts of that have to have some truth in the thinking process, otherwise, why fire the previous pitching coach and hire the one he did?
It seems to come down to whether you have them and pay them or not, that someone has to pitch for the Reds, and if the fans and Reds are unhappy with the pitching, and outcomes for the team, that the Reds would have to have better pitching then, now, and going forward. The availability, those contracts, the length of those contracts and the overall benefit and risk would have to be fully considered when replacing them or letting them go, then and now.
If we looked back through the extended stats of the Reds pitching dating back for years, even back to 2003, 2004, 2005, and compare forward, who could blame him? For hanging on to them.
* source pitching stats ESPN
Last edited by Spring~Fields; 01-03-2010 at 11:47 PM.
Now we have the answer. We can now say, it has been asked and answered. Certainly took long enough to get an answer in this thread. Walt's answer is about as good as it gets.
Thanks WJ."It was a move to keep our team as much intact as we can," Jocketty said. "We're still not in position to add more to the club. We think we have a pretty good club as it is.
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