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  • Junior Arias

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  • Tyler Cline

    0 0%
  • Kevin Coddington

    1 1.59%
  • Matt Fairel

    14 22.22%
  • Mariekson Gregorius

    2 3.17%
  • Evan Hildenbrandt

    1 1.59%
  • Jacob Johnson

    0 0%
  • Sam Lecure

    4 6.35%
  • Kyle Lotzkar

    6 9.52%
  • Carlos Mendez

    0 0%
  • Logan Ondrusek

    0 0%
  • Henry Rodriguez

    3 4.76%
  • Enerio Del Rosario

    9 14.29%
  • Dave Sappelt

    1 1.59%
  • Mark Serrano

    3 4.76%
  • Mace Thurman

    0 0%
  • Daniel Tuttle

    6 9.52%
  • Philippe-Alexandre Valiquette

    0 0%
  • Humberto Valor

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  • Pedro Viola

    13 20.63%
  • Other - Name him

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    No, Serrano would win that race: K rate: 10.47 BB rate 2.44 WHIP 0.99
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect?

    I'm pretty surprised by Viola's showing here. I understand that he's left-handed and throws hard, but that's all I see (along with the strikeouts that go with the package). By all appearances, his command must be fairly awful: He walks way too many and his last two WHIPs were 1.506 (Chattanooga, '08) and 1.642 (Louisville, '09). He'll turn 27 in June. I could maybe see it if there were no other pitching options in the system, but out of the bullpen you could make better cases for Ondrusek and Del Rosario, to start with, and then Thurman and Joe Krebs (both lefties); maybe even Daniel Corcino . . . The best, by far, that Viola has consistently pitched in the last couple years was when he made seven starts in AA in '08. He was sharp. Not sure why they broke off that experiment.
    Last edited by mace; 12-30-2009 at 02:44 PM.

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    I'll be adding Daniel Corcino to the next poll. I'll probably vote for him somewhere in the next five polls. I love his scouting report, he sounds a lot like Johnny Cueto a few years ago.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect?

    I'm reluctant to request guys that I'm not ready to vote for . . . but Joe Krebs is chronically overlooked. He had an outstanding '09 season, and finished it, successfully, in Louisville. I also think Jeremy Horst should be added soon, in spite of a disappointing last season.

    My secondary list, roughly in order: Ezequiel Infante, Nathan Driessen, Alexis Oliveras, Byron Wiley, Jordan Hotchkiss, Efrain Contreras, Alexander Smit, Cody Puckett, Miguel Chacoa, Josh Ravin, James Avery and Chris Denove.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by mace View Post
    I'm pretty surprised by Viola's showing here. I understand that he's left-handed and throws hard, but that's all I see (along with the strikeouts that go with the package). By all appearances, his command must be pretty awful: He walks way too many and his last two WHIPs were 1.506 (Chattanooga, '08) and 1.642 (Louisville, '09). He'll turn 27 in June. I could maybe see it if there were no other pitching options in the system, but out of the bullpen you could make better cases for Ondrusek and Del Rosario, to start with, and then Thurman and Joe Krebs (both lefties); maybe even Daniel Corcino . . . The best, by far, that Viola has consistently pitched in the last couple years was when he made seven starts in AA in '08. He was sharp. Not sure why they broke off that experiment.
    My feeling on Viola is that he still has a chance to be a back of the pen, high leverage arm from the left side, with his stuff if he can get the control issue resolved he could be closer material with 2 very plus pitches. The reason I am still giving him time at this juncture is because he's only been pitching since '03 IIRC.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    No, Serrano would win that race: K rate: 10.47 BB rate 2.44 WHIP 0.99
    Thanks Jax for posting this. Serrano had a great college career and breezed thru his first pro season not to mention he slings the ball toward the mid 90's. But right now, its all about Fairel's 88 mph fast ball.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Daddy View Post
    Thanks Jax for posting this. Serrano had a great college career and breezed thru his first pro season not to mention he slings the ball toward the mid 90's. But right now, its all about Fairel's 88 mph fast ball.
    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...t=76398&page=2

    Mark Serrano, RHP, Oral Roberts University- A darling of results-oriented analysis, Serrano has put up some of the most impressive numbers this side of Strassburg. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the same kind of stuff, and so isn't in for the same kind of payday.

    Serrano has a fastball that sits mostly in the upper 80s, though he has hit as high as 93 at times, and he commands the pitch remarkably well. He has a nice curveball, and shows the makings of an average changeup. If he sounds generic, it's because he sort of is. Lost of pitchers with similar repertoires; Serrano faces weak competition and does much more with his stuff than most. Not a sexy pick, by any means, but could be a good have in the later rounds.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect?

    The first quote from this shouldn't even be here. Who has the pure stuff of Strasburg? Zack Greinke, Justin Verlander?

    I saw Serrano pitch a few times last year. He worked 88-91.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    The first quote from this shouldn't even be here. Who has the pure stuff of Strasburg? Zack Greinke, Justin Verlander?

    I saw Serrano pitch a few times last year. He worked 88-91.
    Well that's a given but how good is his stuff? The point is his stuff isn't TOR is it? And if so he's really no better asset than Fairel, at least Fairel is a LH, that is something. The OP tried to make it sound like Serrano's stuff is much better than Fairel's I don't know that it is.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    Well that's a given but how good is his stuff? The point is his stuff isn't TOR is it? And if so he's really no better asset than Fairel, at least Fairel is a LH, that is something. The OP tried to make it sound like Serrano's stuff is much better than Fairel's I don't know that it is.
    I would take Serrano's stuff over Fairel's. Not by a ton, but I think his stuff is better. Fairel being a lefty isn't anything. You either get guys out or you don't.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect?

    While the system doesn't have many sure fire studs, the depth of interesting names (especially pitchers) is very intriguing.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I would take Serrano's stuff over Fairel's. Not by a ton, but I think his stuff is better. Fairel being a lefty isn't anything. You either get guys out or you don't.
    It isn't anything, although minut. And he does get guys out as well.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    It isn't anything, although minut. And he does get guys out as well.
    I wasn't arguing that he doesn't get guys out, but the arm that a pitcher throws with should be absolutely meaningless in terms of his value. Its like saying a right hander or left hander should get more value as a hitter. It just doesn't make sense. There is no real advantage of being a lefty or a right. No team is full of one or the other at the plate so your platoon advantage doesn't really benefit you.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I wasn't arguing that he doesn't get guys out, but the arm that a pitcher throws with should be absolutely meaningless in terms of his value. Its like saying a right hander or left hander should get more value as a hitter. It just doesn't make sense. There is no real advantage of being a lefty or a right. No team is full of one or the other at the plate so your platoon advantage doesn't really benefit you.
    The fact that there are less quality LHP's in baseball overall makes being LH a small advantage. Again a minut advantage but one all the same.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    The fact that there are less quality LHP's in baseball overall makes being LH a small advantage. Again a minut advantage but one all the same.
    Does him being left handed give him an advantage in getting major leaguers out more than it would a right handed pitcher? If the answer is no, and it is a no, then there should be no advantage given. In fact, being a lefty means the league is likely to hit you harder than being a righty. So we should actually deduct something small from lefties. (I only went back to 2003, but lefties were hit harder over that time span).


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