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    Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/0...ee-agency.html

    Provided Webb is healthy enough, the Reds absolutely MUST compete for his services next offseason. Chances like this do not come around often.
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    Re: Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    Webb is an absolute perfect fit for Cincy if he pitches anywhere close to what he was a few years ago. Sinkerballer is icing on the cake for GABP. In fact, if he IS back to form...he might even accept Cincy over other teams for a discount to be close to home. Wasn't he a Reds fan growing up too? (I think I recall reading that somewhere)

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    Plenty of money coming off the books with Harang, Arroyo, Cordero then too. If we were to keep one of Harang or Arroyo for a reduced contract...would we still have enough to lure in Webb? Webb, Bailey, Cueto, Volquez, Arroyo would look un-freaking-believable IMO.
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    Re: Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    As mentioned, he grew up as a Red fan in Kentucky. That can't be discounted and gives the Reds a legitimate shot.

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    Re: Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    Whether or not he's as dominant in 2010 as in years past, so long as he looks steady, we ought to bring him on board. I can't recall a year when we've had as promising a bunch of starting pitchers as this prospective 2011 rotation:

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    Re: Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    After this off-season, hard to imagine the Reds could sign a healthy Webb. Pitchers don't last forever, he'll want to cash in as much as possible.

    Maybe he has a kid brother at AAA someplace looking for a minimum contract.

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    Re: Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    After this off-season, hard to imagine the Reds could sign a healthy Webb. Pitchers don't last forever, he'll want to cash in as much as possible.
    He is interested in pitching close to home. The Reds have a lot of $$$ coming off the books, and they've just hired his former pitching coach.

    The team clearly has a shot, if they want to take it.
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    Re: Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    The Reds offer would have to be in the ballpark. The best thing we could hope for is a BAD year from Webb and him coming in on a reduced offer in 2011, then regaining form. Thats not likely I know.

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    Re: Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    The Reds will have some money to spend next offseason. If Webb stays healthy, the Reds should do everything within reason to sign Webb next offseason.

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    Re: Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    He is interested in pitching close to home. The Reds have a lot of $$$ coming off the books, and they've just hired his former pitching coach.

    The team clearly has a shot, if they want to take it.
    Huh? When do the Reds have a lot of money coming off the books?
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    Even if Hernandez isn't brought in for 2011 and the Reds buy out Harang's and Arroyo's contracts, that will put the Reds payroll at about what it currently is.
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    Re: Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    If Webb is healthy and pitching well, the Reds definitely SHOULD go after him. Even for big money and a long term deal. Healthy, he is perfect for them. The opposite of the fly ball pitchers they currently have.

    But the Reds hardly instill confidence that they will spend any money for a major player in the near future. Right now, Jocketty says Orlando Cabrera is beyond their budget.

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    Re: Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    Depending on how the options are handled, Willy Taveras, Arthor Rhodes, and Mike Lincoln are the only contracts coming off the books.

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    Re: Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    Webb is also good buddies with Reds scout Gene Bennett who is from Wheelersburg, OH which is only 20-30 mins from the Ashland area. Webb normally makes an appearance in Portsmouth, OH every winter along with other area major leaguers, managers, and scouts. Chris Welsh, Marty, Hal McCoy, etc have all MC'd the event that had guys like Al Oliver, Gene Tenace, Don Gullett among others there when I attended 2 years ago. Webb is a guy that seemed down to earth, and really loved the souther Ohio/ NKY area... Hopefully he's healthy, able to sign, and wanting to sign with the Reds next offseason.

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    Re: Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    Even if the Reds buy out Harang's and Arroyo's contracts, that will put the Reds payroll at about what it currently is.
    Drop 20 million off the books for the two pitchers. Drop another 6 for Lincoln and Taveras. That's 26 million. Phillips gets a 5 million dollar raise. Still twenty million to the good, and the only arbitration-eligible guy of any consequence who is not first-year arb is Masset. Cueto and Votto won't get a whole lot as first-year guys, and Volquez will be coming off injury. The rest are likely non-tenders.

    I still see a lot of room, and there's a chance Cordero (even Phillips) could be dealt. Then look ahead to 2012, when Phillips and Cordero come off the books -- it would be easy enough for the team to backload in a way that jumps the contract at that point.
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    Re: Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    Depending on how the options are handled, Willy Taveras, Arthor Rhodes, and Mike Lincoln are the only contracts coming off the books.
    If they want Webb, and it requires them to drop Arroyo and Harang, they'll do it.
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    Re: Brandon Webb would like to pitch close to home

    Well, we're still talking about having a $70mm payroll if you buy out both Harang's and Arroyo's contracts. You also have to account for new acquisitions--particularly in the free agent market--and guys making surprising jumps in production just before their arbitration years. What if Wladimir Balentien lives up to his potential? What if Jared Burton becomes the closer if Francisco Cordero is dealt? What if Cueto or Volquez becomes an ace? What if Joey Votto wins NL MVP? What if Micah Owings becomes a solid middle-of-the-rotation starter? etc.

    You never know, but at a minimum, I think you're going to have $68+mm tied up in guaranteed contracts by then, and if the payroll doesn't increase much by then, you're talking about paying around half the team the major league minimum. I'm not saying it'll be impossible to add Brandon Webb, but I don't think it's going to be nearly as easy as it seems right now.


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