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    Who are the flame throwers?

    Are there many guys in the system considered as flamethrowers, Im talking high 90s?

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    Re: Who are the flame throwers?

    A few guys that spruing to mind immediately:
    Scott Gaffney
    Jeff Jeffords
    Junior Martinez

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    Re: Who are the flame throwers?

    A ballers?

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    Re: Who are the flame throwers?

    Ondrusek can touch 97, IIRC.

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    Re: Who are the flame throwers?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Ondrusek can touch 97, IIRC.
    I don't believe he does OBM, not positive but I was under the impression he doesn't get much velocity. I'm pretty sure he reaches 94 (sits 91-92) but don't know of him going over that. In addition I believe he throws a 81-82 MPH change, a slider and cutter both in the 87-91 neighborhood.
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    Re: Who are the flame throwers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    I don't believe he does OBM, not positive but I was under the impression he doesn't get much velocity. I'm pretty sure he reaches 94 (sits 91-92) but don't know of him going over that. In addition I believe he throws a 81-82 MPH change, a slider and cutter both in the 87-91 neighborhood.
    Ondrusek can 100% throw 97 MPH. I have seen it on guns multiple time and Pitch FX from the AFL also had him hitting 97.

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    Re: Who are the flame throwers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Ondrusek does, if the gun at Louisville can be believed. He hit 97 regularly, though it did look flat at times.

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Ondrusek can 100% throw 97 MPH. I have seen it on guns multiple time and Pitch FX from the AFL also had him hitting 97.

    I stand corrected then, Doug do you agee with Scrap about the flatness of the pitch?

    I should pose this question however, how does guy who throws that hard only post below average K/9 numbers in the minors? Or instead of asking that how does Logan Ondrusek manage to do this as I know how it happens to most.
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    Re: Who are the flame throwers?

    Junior Martinez is the hardest thrower in the organization. To say he has a long way to go as a prospect would be putting it mildly. Philippe Valiquette throws hard. Andrew Bowman would be near the top but is not as consistent with his velocity. Curtis Partch is in that same mold. Josh Ravin would rank in the top group. Terrell Young (pre-injury).

    Yes, they are mostly A-ballers and generally the guys in that group have not had a lot of success. That tells you a couple of things. One, if a guy has a plus fastball, he will get second and third chances in A-ball to figure it out, even if he is not pitching effectively. Secondly, once he gets higher than A-ball, if all he has is velocity, he will get pummeled. Therefore, you see many of those kind of raw throwers in A-ball and the majority don't make it, but the hope is that if a pitching coach can have some success with one of those kind of guys, then you have a prospect with a plus tool.

    You said high 90s. The only guys in the organization that I have personally seen in the high 90s in 2008-09 were Martinez and Zach Stewart, although I have not seen Ondrusek.

    Also, I will differentiate a bit between hardest thrower and best fastball. Hardest thrower, to me, means highest radar gun reading. Best fastball takes into account movement and command and is much more important.

    Three best fastballs in the farm system over the last 15 years (in no particular order): Homer Bailey, Johnny Cueto, Zach Stewart.
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    Re: Who are the flame throwers?

    Ondrusek does, if the gun at Louisville can be believed. He hit 97 regularly, though it did look flat at times.
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    Re: Who are the flame throwers?

    Boxberger? Upper 90's in short stints right?

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    Re: Who are the flame throwers?

    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    Boxberger? Upper 90's in short stints right?
    I think I read that somewhere, too. Problem was his longevity, IIRC.
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    Re: Who are the flame throwers?

    Has Ondrusek ever started, if so, how did he do?

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    Re: Who are the flame throwers?

    Lousy. But he didn'y have the cutter. (Or any third pitch, for that matter.)
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    Re: Who are the flame throwers?

    With the year that Ondrusek had, if he is touching 97, I would be very curious to know where he is generally pitching in terms of velocity. 92-94 maybe? If he is throwing any harder than that, with the numbers he put up, he should be a lot higher on the prospect list than most have him, like in the top 15 for sure. Maybe higher.

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    Re: Who are the flame throwers?

    Quote Originally Posted by redsof72 View Post
    With the year that Ondrusek had, if he is touching 97, I would be very curious to know where he is generally pitching in terms of velocity. 92-94 maybe? If he is throwing any harder than that, with the numbers he put up, he should be a lot higher on the prospect list than most have him, like in the top 15 for sure. Maybe higher.
    92-94 is about where he sits at. But from what I saw this year, and what keeps him a little lower than that, is his reliance on the fastball/cutter and very little else. He throws it about 85-90% of the time.


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