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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSelig View Post
    Might be true. But I think if we target the right guys in the draft, we can stockpile good defensive talent for fairly cheap. I think we are a few good players from being pretty elite defensively.

    It really depends on our younger players improving next season, which I think they will do. I think our offense can improve drastically just by signing a few stop gap players
    I'd love to hear you explain your reasons. To me, that's kinda like wishing the Reds would add a defensive specialist.
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    I think Brown signed almost everyone BUT Zimmer last year to 2 year contracts. Why? Again......things like too much loyalty.

    Yet they are still letting Zampese go interview in Chicago for the OC job...even if he is under contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    I think Brown signed almost everyone BUT Zimmer last year to 2 year contracts. Why? Again......things like too much loyalty.

    Yet they are still letting Zampese go interview in Chicago for the OC job...even if he is under contract.
    If you don't allow Zampese to interview for a clear promotion you'll have a ton of trouble attracting quality coaches in the future.
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    I'd say it's an even-money shot that Zimmer doesn't end up head coach of this team before his 3-year deal is up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redsfandan View Post
    I'd love to hear you explain your reasons. To me, that's kinda like wishing the Reds would add a defensive specialist.
    Explain which part of my post? You are saying we need to address all needs of the team? I just mean in the 2nd round, there is a great WR and a great DB available, nab the DB instead... even though we need a WR, adding another good DB would give our secondary some depth and more talent.

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    Explain how your priority seems to be defense, the "Offense should be alot easier to correct", and that "our offense can improve drastically just by signing a few stop gap players". I just don't get that. The offense needs help. NOT the defense.
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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful View Post
    Mike Brown really hasn't been as horrible as usual in the past 12 months . . .
    If he learned from his past mistakes, he should be the best GM in football.

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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Replace Coles with a different vet receiver who can actually catch a ball consistently, and our offense is 2x better already.

    Our running game is very good. We have a QB.... who USED to be pretty dominate (what happened!?) Hopefully he bounces back. I think you have to count on that. We have an elite receiver. We just need another solid receiver and a TE who can catch a ball. There is a chance that we have these needs on the team already.

    What I mean is I'd rather have Average offense + Great Defense instead of Good offense + Good defense.

    Maybe I just think the offense is easier to correct than you do. A new OC would instantly improve our offense IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    That long article on Bratkowski didn't hit on his biggest issues such as playcalling. Why don't we run the no huddle? Palmer ran it very well 4 yrs ago. Why not now? Why don't we have a bubble screen in our playbook? We can't this offense execute a slant pattern? These are simple things that even rookie QBs can do.

    Why did the offense lead the league in penalties?

    As for Palmer his biggest problem was not looking off receivers. He locked onto them. He needs to work on that skill for 2010.

    I don't think Brat knows the problems with this offense and for that reason is not the guy to turn it around
    All that and he still manged to outscore the opposition ten times this year.
    Bratkowski/Organization knew exactly the problems with the offense. That's why they ran the ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSelig View Post
    Our running game is very good. We have a QB.... who USED to be pretty dominate (what happened!?) Hopefully he bounces back. I think you have to count on that. We have an elite receiver. We just need another solid receiver and a TE who can catch a ball. There is a chance that we have these needs on the team already.
    The running game is good because their offensive line is made up of a lot of very good run blockers. Pass blocking? Not so much...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newport Red View Post
    All that and he still manged to outscore the opposition ten times this year.
    Bratkowski/Organization knew exactly the problems with the offense. That's why they ran the ball.
    You and Mike Brown would get along real well. I get the impression he feels exactly the same way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    You and Mike Brown would get along real well. I get the impression he feels exactly the same way
    All triteness aside, the Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator should get credit for getting the most out of what they did have. They recognized the talents of the players they had at their disposal and played to the strength of the team. That netted a playoff spot. For that they should get credit instead of lambasting the OC as incompetent.

    Up for debate is where they should go from here. Yes, they need to get better at the passing game, I would agree, either through the draft or free agency, but to simply look at points and close games and conclude the offense was ineffective, and then proceed to lay that at the feet of the OC, is a very narrow opinion. I think a good manager is one who is able to be successful with the resources he is given. I think that the offense did that. They simply did not have enough talent in the receiver corps this year to be a Super Bowl contender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    You and Mike Brown would get along real well. I get the impression he feels exactly the same way
    If Mikey likes double digit wins as much as I do, yes we would.

    He went into this season with a line so bad they had to use the sixth pick in the draft to upgrade it. And Smith made no significant impact this year.

    His best receiver the past two years was playing in Seattle.

    If your observation that Palmer locks onto one receiver is correct, he went into every game this year with arguably the second best quarterback on the field.

    His tight ends were on IR before the regular season.


    The only positives I see coming into the season were there was no black hole at center and he had Cedric for the full year.

    He gave it to his best player, Cedric, often and kept Carson healthy.

    Name any player other than Cedric who could sniff the Pro Bowl.

    Name any player other than Cedric and Chad who could upgrade a good NFL offense.

    The guy overachieved with the talent he was given.

    Replace him if you want but he is hardly the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newport Red View Post
    All that and he still manged to outscore the opposition ten times this year.
    In fairness, that's only because the defense gave up only 18.2 ppg.

    Had the defense allowed 24 points in every game (12 teams allowed 23.4 ppg or more), the team would have finished 3-13. The offense topped 23 points only three times this season.

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    The analogy with Mike Brown goes to the question of "can we do better"?

    I think we can. I don't think he utilized Carson Palmer's skills. For instance, why couldn't he use the no huddle?

    This offense showed a huge lack of discipline by jumping off sides and receivers and QB not in synch. This is the fault of the offensive coordinator in not preparing them properly. He should have ridden them hard in practice like a drill sargeant until they could do it in their sleep. Lack of preparation I blame on the coach.

    Why couldn't the offense execute a screen pass to a back like Scott every now and then? Peyton Manning always has dumpoff options and he uses them a lot. Ditto for Tom Brady.

    How 'bout a slant pass? I haven't seen a decent slant executed by this team since the one that broke Slim's arm.

    These are simple things that are not too much to ask of NFL offenses and but Brat can't seem to do it with this group.


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