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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Red View Post
    They fired their O coordinator after three games. OF THE PRE-SEASON. How'd that work for them?

    I understand the frustration with Bratkowski, but I'm starting to think he fits into what Marvin wants from the team. Limit mistakes, beat people up on both sides of the ball, and win games in the fourth quarter. I think it's good, but the team has to have some explosiveness to it. This offense really just doesn't. There are a multitude of reasons for that, but overall I'm not sure I see the problem fixing itself until Marvin(and Mike) decide it's a problem. I don't think we'll see that any time soon.
    Well, you may be correct. But, the problem with the "limit mistakes" part is that this offense is one of the most mistake-prone offenses in the league. So it drives me crazy to hear this team talk about "limiting mistakes," because quite frankly with Palmer's boneheaded throws and the offensive lines repeated penalties, it's anything but.

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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by cincrazy View Post
    Well, you may be correct. But, the problem with the "limit mistakes" part is that this offense is one of the most mistake-prone offenses in the league. So it drives me crazy to hear this team talk about "limiting mistakes," because quite frankly with Palmer's boneheaded throws and the offensive lines repeated penalties, it's anything but.
    I was thinking more about turnovers than penalties because you're right they have been awful with the penalties. After the Ravens game, I thought it pretty much confirmed everything Marvin thought he wanted; Palmer 0 INT's Flacco 4 was the difference in the game.
    Just like Wily Taveras going 4-4 would guaranteed he'd be the leadoff hitter for a month, Carson getting through the Ravens game with 0 ints guarantees that Marvin won't blame him for anything for a month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Red View Post
    I was thinking more about turnovers than penalties because you're right they have been awful with the penalties. After the Ravens game, I thought it pretty much confirmed everything Marvin thought he wanted; Palmer 0 INT's Flacco 4 was the difference in the game.
    Just like Wily Taveras going 4-4 would guaranteed he'd be the leadoff hitter for a month, Carson getting through the Ravens game with 0 ints guarantees that Marvin won't blame him for anything for a month.

    It should be noted that if the Ravens or Panthers's DB's has any type of hands, Palmer would have about 10 INT's so far this year.

    WIth that said, it's Marvin's job to protect Carson. Marvin knows full well Carson is terrible right now and he needs to improve because there's no one else there to replace him. In the 2011 draft, drafting a QB in the 2nd-4th round should be priority. The regression of Palmer is troublesome. But since the Bengals are run by a guy who's #1 goal is to save pennies, drafting a QB won't happen this year.

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    I think it's the case that any quarterback probably gets away with 2 or 3 picks per game just like any pitcher has two or three pitches he hangs that don't get blasted.

    Like I've said, my guess is the team just doesn't see a problem there. I disagree. I think something needs to be shaken up, but the people in charge disagree with me and you and everyone else.
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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Gack View Post
    The regression of Palmer is troublesome. But since the Bengals are run by a guy who's #1 goal is to save pennies, drafting a QB won't happen this year.
    That owner doesn't pinch pennies where QBs are concerned. He loves QBs and will spend anything to have a good one. Unlike the Pitt Steeler philosophy, Bengal football revolves around the QB. Steelers can win w/o a QB, the Bengals, not so much

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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Forcing throws to TO and 85 seems to be the biggest problem.
    I know you have to keep those guys happy, but they have enough weapons now that he shouldn't have to force throws to them.

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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Bengals Offensive Line:

    Nate Livings- Undrafted FA
    Dennis Roland- Undrafted FA
    Kyle Cook- Undrafted FA
    Bobble Williams- Signed as FA from Eagles
    Andrew Whitworth- 2nd round pick

    I think this says it all about this teams offensive woes. 3 undrafted college FA's are now starting on this offensive line, while they may be good run blockers there inability to keep a pass rush off Palmer is killing our chances.
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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    Bengals Offensive Line:

    Nate Livings- Undrafted FA
    Dennis Roland- Undrafted FA
    Kyle Cook- Undrafted FA
    Bobble Williams- Signed as FA from Eagles
    Andrew Whitworth- 2nd round pick

    I think this says it all about this teams offensive woes. 3 undrafted college FA's are now starting on this offensive line, while they may be good run blockers there inability to keep a pass rush off Palmer is killing our chances.
    Good point...unfortunately, when the cavalry consists of Andre Smith (a pick I despised before it was made, simply because I knew the Bengals would take him) and Evan Mathis, who's bounced around the league on a few different teams, it doesn't look much better.

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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    Bengals Offensive Line:

    Nate Livings- Undrafted FA
    Dennis Roland- Undrafted FA
    Kyle Cook- Undrafted FA
    Bobble Williams- Signed as FA from Eagles
    Andrew Whitworth- 2nd round pick

    I think this says it all about this teams offensive woes. 3 undrafted college FA's are now starting on this offensive line, while they may be good run blockers there inability to keep a pass rush off Palmer is killing our chances.
    Compare that line to when Palmer first started.

    Levi Jones - 1st round pick
    Eric Steinbach - 2nd round pick
    Rich Braham - 3rd round pick (drafted by Cardinals)
    Bobbie Williams - FA from Eagles
    Willie Anderson - 1st round pick

    There isn't a spot on the offensive line where there wasn't a decline. Andre Smith should have helped, but unfortunately he's looking more and more like a bust (pun intended).
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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxilon View Post
    Compare that line to when Palmer first started.

    Levi Jones - 1st round pick
    Eric Steinbach - 2nd round pick
    Rich Braham - 3rd round pick (drafted by Cardinals)
    Bobbie Williams - FA from Eagles
    Willie Anderson - 1st round pick

    There isn't a spot on the offensive line where there wasn't a decline. Andre Smith should have helped, but unfortunately he's looking more and more like a bust (pun intended).
    Or do you mean, he HAS a bust?

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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    Bengals Offensive Line:

    Nate Livings- Undrafted FA
    Dennis Roland- Undrafted FA
    Kyle Cook- Undrafted FA
    Bobble Williams- Signed as FA from Eagles
    Andrew Whitworth- 2nd round pick

    I think this says it all about this teams offensive woes. 3 undrafted college FA's are now starting on this offensive line, while they may be good run blockers there inability to keep a pass rush off Palmer is killing our chances.
    Don't have a problem at all with Cook, Williams, or Whit. There isn't a whole lot of draft value associated with C's and I think Cook has done a good job. A lot of good teams build their line around late first round picks and early second round picks. The Patriots are a prime example of that. They pretty much have interchangeable parts on the line and it has yet to backfire.

    I think Roland and Livings are somewhat success stories. Its nice to find competent backups that go un-drafted. The issue becomes when they are forced to start because your top 10 pick likes to eat himself into coma.

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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Odom has been suspended for 4 games for violating the performance enhancing drugs policy.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5687593

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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Don't have a problem at all with Cook, Williams, or Whit. There isn't a whole lot of draft value associated with C's and I think Cook has done a good job. A lot of good teams build their line around late first round picks and early second round picks. The Patriots are a prime example of that. They pretty much have interchangeable parts on the line and it has yet to backfire.

    I think Roland and Livings are somewhat success stories. Its nice to find competent backups that go un-drafted. The issue becomes when they are forced to start because your top 10 pick likes to eat himself into coma.
    You should be worried about Cook. He has been horrible this year. No push, terrible footwork, and problems identifying the pass rush.
    This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.

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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds Fanatic View Post
    Odom has been suspended for 4 games for violating the performance enhancing drugs policy.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5687593
    The season keeps getting better and better. The only silver lining in this is that we will get to see more Dunlap and Johnson on the outside, with Rucker mixed in. Odom is a FA bust!
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    Re: Bengals 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    The season keeps getting better and better. The only silver lining in this is that we will get to see more Dunlap and Johnson on the outside, with Rucker mixed in. Odom is a FA bust!
    I agree the way Odom has played this year I don't think we will even notice much that he is gone.
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