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    The Extra Point - Why?

    As I've been watching the playoffs this weekend it occurred to me what a waste of time the extra point is in football. If we were designing a game now, would anyone include it? It seems to be something that someone thought was a good idea at one point and it just became part of the game.

    Is there any reason, other than tradition, why extra points shouldn't just be eliminated? Just make a TD 7 points and keep fieldgoals 3 points. Just get rid of it. It adds nothing to the game.
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    Re: The Extra Point - Why?

    I would agree, but I kind of like the option of trying a 2 point conversion attempt instead. I think I'd prefer making extra points and field goals more difficult somehow.
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    Re: The Extra Point - Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by MWM View Post
    As I've been watching the playoffs this weekend it occurred to me what a waste of time the extra point is in football. If we were designing a game now, would anyone include it? It seems to be something that someone thought was a good idea at one point and it just became part of the game.

    Is there any reason, other than tradition, why extra points shouldn't just be eliminated? Just make a TD 7 points and keep fieldgoals 3 points. Just get rid of it. It adds nothing to the game.
    I think they should get rid of the field goal altogether. No field goals, no extra points; Touchdowns only. And if a team scores a touchdown, they must go for the two point conversion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxilon View Post
    I think they should get rid of the field goal altogether. No field goals, no extra points; Touchdowns only. And if a team scores a touchdown, they must go for the two point conversion.
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    It's kind of like the intentional walk in baseball - every now and then something will go wrong, and make you glad they don't just point to the batter and say go to first (though I think more extra points are missed than there are wild pitches on passed balls.)

    I'd rather eliminate punting than the extra point, to be honest.

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    Last time I checked...teams going for 2 made the conversion over 50 percent of the time...

    So if you always went for 2, could you come out ahead in the long run?

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    Re: The Extra Point - Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Last time I checked...teams going for 2 made the conversion over 50 percent of the time... So if you always went for 2, could you come out ahead in the long run?
    It is the same rationale baseball managers use when bunting.
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    Re: The Extra Point - Why?

    From wiki:

    The extra point is among the oldest parts of the game of gridiron football and dates to its rugby roots. In its earliest days, scoring a touchdown was not the primary objective but a means of getting a free kick at the goal (hence why the name "try," more commonly associated with rugby today, is still in American football rule books), and thus while a field goal would be 5 points, a touchdown would only be one point and the conversion would be worth four (for a total of five). By the start of the 20th century, touchdowns had become more important and the roles of touchdown and kick were reversed. By this time the point value for the after-touchdown kick had reduced to its current one-point value while the touchdown was now worth five. (This later increased to six points in American football in 1912 and in Canadian football in 1956.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    It is the same rationale baseball managers use when bunting.
    That definitely doesn't convince me.

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    Re: The Extra Point - Why?

    Probably so that the NFL can retain one of the last vestiges of the game that justifies calling it "football" instead of some other name more consistent with how the sport is actually played.
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    Re: The Extra Point - Why?

    Bengals fans (and I am sure fans of other teams) know that the XP is not always automatic. Whether it be the long-snapper, the holder or the kicker. Even FGs that are closer than XPs are not gimmes (19 yards, Romo botches the hold...). I say keep it.

    If a change is needed, I feel the NFL overtime is first in line. Like college? I don't know, but anything but sudden death.
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    Eliminating kicking in any way would fundamentally alter football in a negative way. Think about it, and I mean really think about it. Would you enjoy a game with no punting or place kicking? I mean, would you really?

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    Re: The Extra Point - Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds1869 View Post
    Eliminating kicking in any way would fundamentally alter football in a negative way. Think about it, and I mean really think about it. Would you enjoy a game with no punting or place kicking? I mean, would you really?
    What would we call it? "Pass and run ball"? The kicking game is one of the greatest sources of unpredictability and exciting plays, IMO. I think the original post really belongs in the "things that drive you crazy thread," because I personally don't get it and see it as someone's own pet peeve.

    That also keeps in mind that, like some things, the science of football kicking has progressed to the point where it is "automatic," but that has only been since the 70s. When LBers and wideouts used to handle the kicking duties as a "second job," the extra point was just as unpredictable as any FG attempt.

    Something I see as a bigger challenge is the range that FG kickers have progressed to because of the influence of soccer on kickers' ability to kick the ball further. When guys are kicking 55 yarders half way up the uprights, I could see a legitimate argument for making the FG more difficult. Higher cross bar? Move in the uprights? Maybe they could have two sets of uprights, use electronics and hydraulics to move the uprights in closer for extra points, then back out to standard for FGs. Or, have a point system for FGs based on distance. Under 30 yards is 1 pt. 31-45 yards is 2 pts. 46+ is a 3 ptr. Alteration sounds much better than elimination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    Or, have a point system for FGs based on distance. Under 30 yards is 1 pt. 31-45 yards is 2 pts. 46+ is a 3 ptr. Alteration sounds much better than elimination.
    That's one heck of an idea...it'll never happen, but I like it!

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    Whenever a game is played in Europe the extra point is always cheered more loudly than the TD. I always found that amusing.
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